Trains in the late 70's to mid 80's

[Need2]

Wonder if you can help?
Trying to find pictures, especially internally of slam door type trains used in the 70/80's. I lived in Epsom and used them to/from Waterloo.
The ones I'm looking for had 'open' carriages with bench seats (IIRC) with the string netting luggage holder above and some carriages had separate compartments of 2 rows of seats. Hope this makes sense.

 

[EM2]

This sounds like 2-EPB or 4-EPB types.

 

[4-COR 3142]

If you look down the page linked below until you get too Class 415/416 EPB you should find at least one image of the inside

http://beno.org.uk/train/uk3.html

 

[cjmillsnun]

4VEPs?

Inside a 4VEP by Matthew Black, on Flickr

Photo from www.citytransport.info

 

[387star]

Now that is a proper train!

 

[Need2]

Now that is a proper train!

Exactly my thoughts!
Cannot remember if they were comfortable or know if they were well made though!
The 1st pic definitely looks the one I remember except I'm sure they had the emergency chain above every door (like the last pic) and the luggage racks were rope netting things.
The individual compartments I mentioned were the full width of the carriage, there was not a walkway to the rest of the carriage. I can't remember though if the whole carriage was made up of these separate compartments or just part of it.
Thanks to all for their input, must be getting old, Should stop reminiscing

 

[158747]

Possibly 4-SUB units, I remember seeing them at Waterloo in the late 70s / early 80s.

 

[30907]

The SW Suburban services in the late 70s were predominantly SUBs, except for 2EPBs on the Windsor/Weybridges and some VEPs (replacing EPBs) via Cobham. I recall a small number of 2HAPs as well (possibly already declassified?). VEPs to Epsom would have been rare then.

EM2's linked photo is a Bullied-design trailer. These could belong to SUBs or EPBs (even both, at different times in their life!). This one has been facelifted internally with steel rod instead of netting in the luggage racks (the netting was very attractive to vandals), and tubes instead of the old 2 lamps per seating bay or compartment and therefore was by then in an EPB. The facelift was done IIRC around the time the all-compartment coaches were taken out for security reasons.

The photo linked by 4-Cor 3142 is the BR EPB design.

The Internet doesn't throw up many internal pictures, nor do the books I have.

 

[yorksrob]

The SW Suburban services in the late 70s were predominantly SUBs, except for 2EPBs on the Windsor/Weybridges and some VEPs (replacing EPBs) via Cobham. I recall a small number of 2HAPs as well (possibly already declassified?). VEPs to Epsom would have been rare then.

EM2's linked photo is a Bullied-design trailer which could belong to a SUB or EPB (even both, at different times in its life!). It has been facelifted internally with steel rod instead of netting in the luggage racks (the netting was very attractive to vandals), and tubes instead of the old 2 lamps per seating bay or compartment. This was done IIRC around the time the all-compartment coaches were taken out for security reasons.

The photo linked by 4-Cor 3142 is the BR EPB design.

The Internet doesn't throw up many internal pictures, nor do the books I have.

EM2's photo is a trailer that definitely belonged to an EPB. The last 4SUB's were withdrawn at roughly the same time as the facelifts of the EPB's were taking place in the early 1980's.

Of course, the trailer may have belonged to a 4SUB previously, but would only have been facelifted if reformed into an EPB.

 

[RichmondCommu]

I'm sorry but I don't miss the slam door stock for the simple reason that in the event of an accident they offered very little protection for their passengers.

 

[theageofthetra]

I'm sorry but I don't miss the slam door stock for the simple reason that in the event of an accident they offered very little protection for their passengers.

The Cannon St accident was a wake up call to the age and state of some of the EBP's. Some of the underframes were on their 3rd re use, dated back to pre-grouping and were rotten.

 

[30907]

The Cannon St accident was a wake up call to the age and state of some of the EBP's. Some of the underframes were on their 3rd re use, dated back to pre-grouping and were rotten.

The oldest underframes in 4EPBs were from the late 1920s.
The accident report - which I've just revisited - specifically refers to the lack of structural strength in the Bullied-design bodies (late 40s, design early 40s) and to the centre coupler, but not to the underframes.

ISTR that the speculation at the time about the age of the units was attributed to people mixing up pre- and post- TOPs unit numbers. But that may be just as urban-mythical as the story about age which still resurfaces.

 

[yorksrob]

The Bullied design EPB's were pre-mk1, unlike most of the slam door stock built for the southern region by BR. It has to be remembered that mk1's were themselves were a safety improvement on their predecessors (many of which were wooden bodied).

That said, they were lovely comfortable carriages to travel in.
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ISTR that the speculation at the time about the age of the units was attributed to people mixing up pre- and post- TOPs unit numbers. But that may be just as urban-mythical as the story about age which still resurfaces.

I believe the Southern Railway/Region did reuse some underframes for its new build trains, however I've not read anything to suggest that these were structurally deficient by the time they were finally withdrawn.

The first generation of suburban electrics were built out of steam hauled stock and were apparently in a bit of a state by the time they were replaced by EPB's etc.