Bletchleyite
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Anything from "never" to "tomorrow", depending on where it is between being a burnt out shell and a small fag burn on a seat cover.
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Creation of class 230 DEMUs from ex-LU D78s by Vivarail
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Anything from "never" to "tomorrow", depending on where it is between being a burnt out shell and a small fag burn on a seat cover.
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E_Reeves
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Looks like it has been taken to Coventry Yard for now...
Such a shame. I was really looking forward for this unit to make revenue earning services.
Such a shame. I was really looking forward for this unit to make revenue earning services.
D365
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Whatever you do, don't read any further into the "comments"... all typical DM reader crap.
SpacePhoenix
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Are they able to shut an engine down from the cab?
There are several pictures and a couple of videos that show the side of the unit. None of them show the vinyl to be damaged.
I don't know if The Coventry Telegraph's site allows direct linking, but here goes:
If that's worked you should have an image of a fireman hosing down the unit, with the vinyl covered in soot but apparently undamaged.
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SpacePhoenix
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To embed a youtube video you need to use youtube tags, the bit of the url after v= is what goes between the youtube tags
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Issue isn't really if their livery survived but the damage done to the engine and other underfloor components, how well the carriage floor held up (any penetration or warping? did smoke penetrate in to the saloon?) and whether the engineering of inserting a diesel engine under a unit which wasn't designed to contain a fire beneath it has held up.
What made the citytram incident in Blackpool so bad wasn't the dodgy wiring which caused the fire but that the batteries were contained within a wooden box rather than a steel one. RAIB will likely be interested to see if any similar compromises have been made in the conversion before they give an OK for testing to resume.
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Loool!! 
I knew something like this was gonna happen! After all, using a Transit Engine was a total dunce! Death to Vivafail, perhaps (sorry Viva, thought you were cute before)?
The Fail has reported just now?? I thought they'd be there with the cameras on the roll at the direct scene. Gosh, I need to read it now!
I knew something like this was gonna happen! After all, using a Transit Engine was a total dunce! Death to Vivafail, perhaps (sorry Viva, thought you were cute before)?Oh dear the news seems to have reached the Daily Mail Online now
Alleged comment from Shooter "This is a new train (
No comments about it being an old tube train in the article but some people have corrected that in the comments section.
The Fail has reported just now?? I thought they'd be there with the cameras on the roll at the direct scene. Gosh, I need to read it now!
Mordac
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And somewhere in very rural Cheshire, the sound of a champagne bottle popping open is heard. 
Indeed, that is understood. The point I was making is that, apparently, the skin temperature didn't exceed c. 200°C which is a good sign (and just a sign), as is the fact that the window directly above the fire also appears undamaged.
It goes without saying that a full internal inspection will be necessary to ensure that if this had happened in service the fire could have been extinguished or at least remained under control long enough for a safe evacuation.
Xenophon PCDGS
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And somewhere in very rural Cheshire, the sound of a champagne bottle popping open is heard.
You may very well think that, I couldn't possibly comment...
And somewhere in very rural Cheshire, the sound of a champagne bottle popping open is heard.
and evidence is being burned and an alibi concocted
Techniquest
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Sad news for VivaRail, but I hope it doesn't deter them from carrying on. Unless RAIB forbid it to happen of course!
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If that were to happen would it also apply to other EMUs being converted to bi-modes?
birchesgreen
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If there is an issue with the engines (or whatever caught fire) then better for it to be found now than when carrying passengers of course.
Techniquest
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Who knows, but I suspect Porterbrook will be keeping an eye on things before attempting their bi-mode 319!
There's no call to ban diesel electric conversions over an engine fire. All it demands is a fine to vivarail for the disruption and better scrutiny on the build quality of their work. If they have to change the engines for another model, then that will put the testing back even further, but I really cannot see this stopping the project or any other similar one.
Loool!!
Next week's lotto numbers then?
Xenophon PCDGS
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Let us not forget that the said unit is still in the trials completion stage and I am sure that once the final required completion point has been reached, that is the time when a decision should be made by the relevant body, after all trial matters have been taken into deliberation.
Xenophon PCDGS
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I know that you are only making reference to the unit, but if this event occurred in service, may I ask, thinking of infirm passengers not totally mobile, is the type of smoke that was emitted one that could be said to be injurious to health and what time period would be deemed a danger for inhalation of same?
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There are several pictures and a couple of videos that show the side of the unit. None of them show the vinyl to be damaged.
I don't know if The Coventry Telegraph's site allows direct linking, but here goes:
If that's worked you should have an image of a fireman hosing down the unit, with the vinyl covered in soot but apparently undamaged.
And if all goes to the usual form, that firefighter will be doing more damage with his water than the fire caused!
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The fireman isn't wearing a respirator, so low risk event...
The smoke wouldn't be good for anyone's health but it's hard to judge how bad it would have been inside without knowing if the floor burned through or not. Hopefully some information will be forthcoming early in the new year.
Xenophon PCDGS
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I was referring to the confined internal space within the unit, not exterior to it.
D365
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As far as I recall, a carriage interior is supposed to withstand penetration by smoke or fire for a duration of at least 30 minutes.
David Goddard
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A sad event, regardless of anyone's personal feelings towards the project, which rightfully deserves commendation for the concept and determination shown at the very least.
A setback yes, but hopefully one which will not cause too much delay.
A setback yes, but hopefully one which will not cause too much delay.
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That is quite unfortunate and in fact seeing that image is quite saddening. I hope it was a one off issue which is easy to solve.
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