FGW Loco hauled serivces

[xc170]

I appologise if this question has been asked before but dose anyone have timings for the FGW Loco hauled services.

Thanks in advance,

Adam

Edit: Yippee my 100th post

 

[devon_metro]

0704 Taunton - Bristol Parkway
0914 Bristol Parkway - Weston Super Mare
1104 Taunton - Cardiff
1400 Cardiff - Taunton
1613 Taunton - Cardiff
1900 Cardiff - Taunton

 

[anthony263]

these are the timings i have had out of rail magazine:

07:29 Taunton - Bristol Parkway
09:13 Bristol Parkway - Weston-Super-Mare

empty stock to Taunton

11:02 Taunton - Cardiff Central
14:00 Cardiff Central - Taunton
16:12 Taunton - Cardiff Central
19:00 Cardiff Central - Taunton

21:10 empty stock to Bristol

 

[devon_metro]

More like it, some of them were off the top of my head.

 

[4SRKT]

What's hauling them?

 

[Ilove165's]

2xClass 67s top and tail

 

[4SRKT]

When this happens, are both locos working? I remember the Arriva Trains Northern top and tail rig with 4 Mk IIs and a 37 on each end (My Lordz!), and the 37s were worked in multiple with a blue star cable fitted throughout the length of the coaches. Can this be done with 67s? Is it really necessary to have 2 engines working on such short trains, or would it be better to dead haul the rear one?

 

[Ilove165's]

I think the rear loco is DIT...

 

[heart-of-wessex]

Yes, as 67s cannot work in push-pull style, unlike the 37s or 43s ect.

It might be turned off or left on, I know with the Weymouth runs they did, most of the time the rear one was turned off.


cheers,

James.

 

[33056]

Believe that the current locos on this are 67016 / 028.

If they are not "through wired" or both locos manned, then the rear loco should be shut down for fire precaution purposes.

 

[xc170]

Thanks for the times

Adam

 

[1D53]

DId this last week with 017/028. Rear loco turned off at all times.

 

[xc170]

DId this last week with 017/028. Rear loco turned off at all times.

Yes the rear loco is probobly just there for the return journey so they dont need to waste time uncoupleing the loco from the front then taking it to the back of the train. Its alot easier just to put a loco on each end

Adam

 

[jopsuk]

Yes the rear loco is probobly just there for the return journey so they dont need to waste time uncoupleing the loco from the front then taking it to the back of the train. Its alot easier just to put a loco on each end

Adam

Also, most, if not all, stations have had all the loco run-around loops, release points etc that would allow you to do that removed.

 

[heart-of-wessex]

you could run around at Taunton or Cardiff but takes time and takes up paths. The set probably runs to Cardiff West Reverse as well, so would be useful for Top and tail operation.

 

[4SRKT]

Its alot easier just to put a loco on each end

Adam

But not cheaper. Why are railway companies able to find two spare locos for this sort of thing?

 

[37402]

But not cheaper. Why are railway companies able to find two spare locos for this sort of thing?

It may well be cheaper compared with the cost of providing groundstaff to facilitate such a run round. You wouldn't be able to get away with just one member of staff either for a diagram such as this...what happens when he needs a holiday?

 

[33056]

The Fishguard service was like that. Man with gloves travelled on the train all the way from Cardiff just to do the run round at Fishguard - nice little job, but not very productive.

 

[90019]

Man with gloves travelled on the train all the way from Cardiff just to do the run round at Fishguard

Did they specifically advertise for a man with gloves, or was it a perk of the job?

"Wanted - Man to run loco around train at Fishguard; qualifications - must have gloves"

 

[37412]

The Fishguard service was like that. Man with gloves travelled on the train all the way from Cardiff just to do the run round at Fishguard - nice little job, but not very productive.

When the 50's worked the diagram in 06 I thought it was the guard I (Carmarthen man?) who had a set of overalls with him to do the honours at Fishguard. There used to be a crew change if I remember correctly as either Whitland or Llanelli (can't remember which) so i presume it would have been a Carmarthen man forward?

 

[33056]

37412, you might be correct - but there was definitely a travelling shunter at some stage on the Fishguards. Also, these days, I would have thought that the TOCs would not go to the bother of training all the conductors in shunting duties. Even if they did, it would be an expensive undertaking to keep all their competence up to date.

 

[37412]

may have been earlier on they used travelling shunters then, but i'm sure the guard used to produce a set of the white disposable overalls and judging by the battle some of them used to have coupling up I don't think they were shunters by trade, took some of them a while to get coupled up. Can be difficult though, although personally i think its worst with vac pipes than air.