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Information for GTR Southern passengers during strike (no DOO discussion)
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Bishopstone
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Waiting for the rail replacement bus to leave Seaford. A young man approaches through the rain.
'Is this the bus for Lewes, please?'
Driver: 'That's what it says on the front, mate!' (Sarcastic tone.)
'Yes, it is,' would be fewer syllables and more polite.
The next time a bus driver tries his sarcasm on me, I'm going to whip out my Guide Dog.
'Is this the bus for Lewes, please?'
Driver: 'That's what it says on the front, mate!' (Sarcastic tone.)
'Yes, it is,' would be fewer syllables and more polite.
The next time a bus driver tries his sarcasm on me, I'm going to whip out my Guide Dog.
Deepgreen
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As far as I know, there have been very many engineering possessions (weekends) taken on the BML south of Gatwick over the past few years, and it still has a shocking failure rate.
This is whats agreed on non strike says. I've had to remove one TOC due to confidentiality issues on whats been agreed.
Brighton & Hove bus services:
Brighton & Hove buses will accept rail tickets for any reasonable journey across their network.
Gatwick Express:
Gatwick Express accepting Southern ticket holders.
Great Western Railway:
Awaiting comfirmation.
London Buses:
Rail tickets can be used for reasonable journeys between:
Tulse Hill and West Norwood on routes 2, 432, 468, 68 & 196
Crystal Palace and Beckenham Junction on route 358
Peckham Rye and Herne Hill via North Dulwich on route 37
Queens Road Peckham and New Cross Gate on routes 171, 177, 436 and 136
Route 405 between Redhill and West Croydon via Merstham
London Midland:
Passengers who hold tickets routed 'Kensington Olympia' or 'Southern Only' for journeys from / to stations across the London Midland network and stations south of London can use London Midland services to / from London Euston.
London Overground:
Rail tickets can be used for reasonable journeys between:
West Croydon, Crystal Palace, Peckham Rye and Canada Water
Clapham Junction and Watford Junction via Willesden Junction
Watford Junction and London Euston
London Trams:
Rail tickets can be used for reasonable journeys across the whole London Trams network.
London Underground:
Rail tickets can be used for reasonable journeys between the following points only, THE TICKETS CANNOT BE USED AT INTERMEDIATE TUBE STATIONS:
Canada Water and London Bridge
Balham and Victoria / London Bridge / Euston
London Bridge and Victoria
Victoria and Blackfriars
Victoria and Euston
Metrobus:
Metrobus buses will accept rail tickets for any reasonable journey across their network.
Southeastern:
Southeastern will accept the following:
Rail tickets with an origin or destination of Birkbeck can use train services to / from Elmers End
Rail tickets with an origin or destination of Honor Oak Park or Brockley can use train services to / from Nunhead
Rail tickets routed via Haywards Heath, via East Croydon and 'Southern Only' will be accepted for reasonable journeys between:
Hastings and London via Tonbridge
Ashford International and London
EXCLUDING HIGH SPEED SERVICES TO / FROM LONDON ST PANCRAS
Thameslink:
Rail tickets with an origin or destination of Honor Oak Park and Brockley can also use Nunhead or Crofton Park instead.
Rail tickets with an origin or destination of London Victoria can use Thameslink services to / from London Blackfriars or London Bridge.
Rail tickets routed 'Southern Only' will be accepted on Thameslink services between Brighton and London Bridge / London Blackfriars.
Should they wish to do so, ticket holders with an origin or destination of stations between Wembley Central and Milton Keynes Central for journeys to / from south of London, can use their ticket at their nearest station on the Thameslink route between London and Bedford to travel on Thameslink (but not East Midlands Trains) services to be able to complete their journey.
Brighton & Hove bus services:
Brighton & Hove buses will accept rail tickets for any reasonable journey across their network.
Gatwick Express:
Gatwick Express accepting Southern ticket holders.
Great Western Railway:
Awaiting comfirmation.
London Buses:
Rail tickets can be used for reasonable journeys between:
Tulse Hill and West Norwood on routes 2, 432, 468, 68 & 196
Crystal Palace and Beckenham Junction on route 358
Peckham Rye and Herne Hill via North Dulwich on route 37
Queens Road Peckham and New Cross Gate on routes 171, 177, 436 and 136
Route 405 between Redhill and West Croydon via Merstham
London Midland:
Passengers who hold tickets routed 'Kensington Olympia' or 'Southern Only' for journeys from / to stations across the London Midland network and stations south of London can use London Midland services to / from London Euston.
London Overground:
Rail tickets can be used for reasonable journeys between:
West Croydon, Crystal Palace, Peckham Rye and Canada Water
Clapham Junction and Watford Junction via Willesden Junction
Watford Junction and London Euston
London Trams:
Rail tickets can be used for reasonable journeys across the whole London Trams network.
London Underground:
Rail tickets can be used for reasonable journeys between the following points only, THE TICKETS CANNOT BE USED AT INTERMEDIATE TUBE STATIONS:
Canada Water and London Bridge
Balham and Victoria / London Bridge / Euston
London Bridge and Victoria
Victoria and Blackfriars
Victoria and Euston
Metrobus:
Metrobus buses will accept rail tickets for any reasonable journey across their network.
Southeastern:
Southeastern will accept the following:
Rail tickets with an origin or destination of Birkbeck can use train services to / from Elmers End
Rail tickets with an origin or destination of Honor Oak Park or Brockley can use train services to / from Nunhead
Rail tickets routed via Haywards Heath, via East Croydon and 'Southern Only' will be accepted for reasonable journeys between:
Hastings and London via Tonbridge
Ashford International and London
EXCLUDING HIGH SPEED SERVICES TO / FROM LONDON ST PANCRAS
Thameslink:
Rail tickets with an origin or destination of Honor Oak Park and Brockley can also use Nunhead or Crofton Park instead.
Rail tickets with an origin or destination of London Victoria can use Thameslink services to / from London Blackfriars or London Bridge.
Rail tickets routed 'Southern Only' will be accepted on Thameslink services between Brighton and London Bridge / London Blackfriars.
Should they wish to do so, ticket holders with an origin or destination of stations between Wembley Central and Milton Keynes Central for journeys to / from south of London, can use their ticket at their nearest station on the Thameslink route between London and Bedford to travel on Thameslink (but not East Midlands Trains) services to be able to complete their journey.
So have they agreed something but don't want to to be public knowledge?
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tsr
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Current news from the Southern network:
- Signal failure due to an unexpected fault after planned maintenance (not related to the weekend blockade) at Purley may restrict movements if not resolved by the evening peak. For the most part it is being worked around at the moment.
- Victoria has been blocked with stock for the last hour or so, on-and-off, so trains are being held at stations on approach until platforms are clear, which in turn relies on crew... stops are being put on mainline services to try to clear metro overcrowding. Platforms are now gradually clearing - it's looking a bit more positive than it was.
Plus minor delays due to points failure at Cricklewood, AIUI.
"Not broadcast so as not to be the public's first choice of alternative" might be better.
It's not groundbreaking but, to prevent overcrowding, people should only be able to use "TOC X" if they do so on their own initiative or if advised face-to-face by station/onboard staff on an ad-hoc basis.
- Signal failure due to an unexpected fault after planned maintenance (not related to the weekend blockade) at Purley may restrict movements if not resolved by the evening peak. For the most part it is being worked around at the moment.
- Victoria has been blocked with stock for the last hour or so, on-and-off, so trains are being held at stations on approach until platforms are clear, which in turn relies on crew... stops are being put on mainline services to try to clear metro overcrowding. Platforms are now gradually clearing - it's looking a bit more positive than it was.
Plus minor delays due to points failure at Cricklewood, AIUI.
"Not broadcast so as not to be the public's first choice of alternative" might be better.
It's not groundbreaking but, to prevent overcrowding, people should only be able to use "TOC X" if they do so on their own initiative or if advised face-to-face by station/onboard staff on an ad-hoc basis.
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Yes, better.
Been another day of fun. My Southampton got as far as St Denny's before points issues made us came to a stop. Getting through to control was not easy as they had issues at Vic, and issue with a LOG train between Norwood and London B, so when I did they were, 'oh, oh, right'. Got my punters on a SWT that was going into Southampton (helping folks with cases over the bridge, what do some people pack!!!), then back home, only 30 late at Swanwick. Some fast running and few missing stations, and got back to Brighton only 18 late. Tho' everyone at Chi trying to get in one door and the L/C at Lancing not being shut did try and slow us down.
Good news if you support the strikes as I do. Tomorrow afternoon will be fun. I'm partially looking forward to the challenge.
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tsr
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Situation at Victoria has regrettably degenerated again. Peak not looking at all pretty due to service recovery from earlier incidents being hampered by severe driver shortages. Things are moving in and out but loads of uncertainty with the word "Delayed" featuring rather more often on the boards than you'd even expect with the current climate.
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Queuing system in place at Victoria.
Southeastern may now prove to be unable to run some trains Charing Cross - London Bridge due to a failed train outside London Bridge. This, of course, may impact on overcrowded Southern services towards Tonbridge & Hastings.
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Queuing system in place at Victoria.
Southeastern may now prove to be unable to run some trains Charing Cross - London Bridge due to a failed train outside London Bridge. This, of course, may impact on overcrowded Southern services towards Tonbridge & Hastings.
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I can confirm about 4 trials at Sutton said delayed. One of which was over an hour late.
Surely the situation isn't that bad as there are no disruption notices expect the strike one. Perhaps that is the main cause now, so it is bad.
I guess problems like this occur when you don't employ enough staff and rely on good will.
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Surely the situation isn't that bad as there are no disruption notices expect the strike one. Perhaps that is the main cause now, so it is bad.
I guess problems like this occur when you don't employ enough staff and rely on good will.
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Kite159
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Did another 313 decide to break down in the Portsmouth area this morning?
(1Z99 1008 Littlehampton to Portsmouth Harbour)
(http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O54333/2016/12/12/advanced)
(1Z99 1008 Littlehampton to Portsmouth Harbour)
(http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O54333/2016/12/12/advanced)
I dunno. It should be fairly clear that everyone from Dorking, Leatherhead and Epsom will be using South West Trains tomorrow. And I suspect a significant number of people from Reigate, Merstham, Salfords, Horley etc. will also try to. What other alternatives do these people have, exactly? Driving all the way to Hildenborough or Tonbridge is the only obvious answer - or use the 405 bus from Redhill. But then, where can they go when they get to Croydon?
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Gapped rather than broken down today. Rescue unit had to be sent all the way from Littlehampton I believe.
Tramlink to Wimbledon (SWT to Waterloo/District), Elmers End (Southeastern to Charing Cross/Waterloo East/London Bridge), Beckenham Junction (Southeastern to Victoria), X68 bus to Waterloo, Aldwych and Russell Square, West Croydon station will have 4tph on London Overground with connections to the Jubilee, H&C, District, Victoria and the DLR.
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Class455
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I was affected by the Victoria disruption. There were no services leaving London Victoria for about 20 minutes while I was stuck at Clapham Junction. Two trains had to wait at Clapham Junction before a train could leave. I was tempted to take the train back to Wimbledon and get a tram to Croydon but then there was announcement to tell us that a Caterham train was on its way. An Ore service arrived first, and believe me, you would not have wanted to be on that train. There were people shouting and screaming telling passengers to move down and some people did not get on.
I also saw a Gatwick Express train on the down slow line passing Platform 14 at Clapham Junction.
Slightly off topic, but within all this, there was an odd working. 455 841 and 455 817 worked 1Y13 16:39 London Victoria to Caterham service rather than the usual 377. I did see the train come through Clapham as an empty stock move during the time I was stuck.
Right Away
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GWR will be running their Brighton services tomorrow (13th) non stop from Havant to Brighton and vice versa.
With the benefit of hindsight there was a total meltdown!
Right now time to continue reading the thread!Jump on another bus or a Thameslink train from East Croydon?
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Is that because they are expecting people not to be able to board the train anywhere else?
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Internal Tyrell Check and external Journey Check both saying that the Southern operated stations on the route will be closed for the duration of the strike.
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The station staff aren't on strike. How about opening the stations for short period before GWR are due. Much like at Wembley Central with passengers only allowed on the platform shortly before the Southern train leaves.
What is dangerous about doing that? If it is dangerous. How dangerous? More so than a train being DOO?
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Yes, so there are a few options. But how easy will it be to board trains at via Canada Water at West Croydon, to Waterloo at Wimbledon and London Bridge at Elmers End? Imagine how long it would take using the 405 and X68 to get from Redhill to Waterloo!
Perhaps the station staff are being redeployed to Brighton to manage the crowds. There would hardly be any point in paying them for a whole shift on an empty station for four trains all day.
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Every closed station can't need to send staff to Brighton?
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tsr
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With the benefit of hindsight there was a total meltdown!
Uncannily similar to what happened over the course of the closing of service during at least a couple of recent Christmas Eves!
I think the majority of passengers will still use East Croydon tomorrow and attempt to board the TL services.
Clapham Junction is another one to look out for tomorrow as a pinch point as passengers attempt to travel via Waterloo or Vauxhall for Victoria.
Inner South London will see an increase in the use of bus services and other TOC services from stations near to a Southern station and the tube. Balham LU for example will be even more busy.
As for your 405/X68 enquiry, it will be a long commute, but may be quicker than a non-strike day journey on Southern in the peaks under the current circumstances. The X68 is fast from West Norwood to Waterloo mind.
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Incidentally the LO Crystal Palace extras are now in the journey planners.
Brighton + Preston Park + Hassocks...
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Regardless, why would it be a good use of a staff shift for a handful of trains that its very unlikely anybody would be able to board, with a great many hours between them?
Thanks southeastern. The 07.26 from beckenham junction is 4 carriages this morning. Super crushed.
I couldn't see many delays by 7 at East Croydon. Intrestingly there were 2 trains today that stopped at Clapham Junction. Both Gatwick Express. One left after 3 and the other after 5. Both also stopped at East Croydon. No others are booked to stop at these stations though. That was heading south. Nothing heading north however. Not sure why those did stop. I'm sure Gatwick Express / Southern / GTR had their reasons.
Not forgetting all the stations to Eastbourne and all those to Portsmouth.
At night time some stations open for trains and then close again soon after. So there are regular timed I believe when stations solely open and close for trains. Perhaps they shouldn't run trains to or from those stations at night.
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