London Midland Cancellations

[class 313]

but don't they see that taking the franchise away and letting either another bidder or the SRA run it would slow the solution rate down, thus making it absolutely no better, and worse if anything!

First off the SRA doesn't exist. Also thats not true, when Connex SE was stripped and SRA took hold under 'SouthEastern' it worked out fine.

 

[Pumbaa]

First off the SRA doesn't exist. Also thats not true, when Connex SE was stripped and SRA took hold under 'SouthEastern' it worked out fine.

The problem with Connex SE though was financial mismanagement. It worked out fine because all it required a change in objective and a change in directorship and management. LM won't have it's problems solved by being stripped of the franchise. Kicking the Directors out and replacing them might work though...

 

[Jezney Jones]

Well I can tell you that I experience this every single day! I board the 07.13 Milton Keynes Central to London Euston service, when it stops at Harrow & Wealdstone at 07.57 - only it never does!! It's consistently late and hasn't left before 08.00 since the start of the year. And do we ever get a reason for the delay?? Why, of course not!!

I've come across this online petition and would recommend that as many of you as possible get your names on it!!

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/LondonMidland/

 

[Danielo]

How many coaches is this service?

 

[Danielo]

Track circuit failure at Wembley this morning at about 8.30AM. All services were 'cancelled' as a result, even the Bakerloo and Overground.

 

[33056]

Track circuit failure at Wembley this morning at about 8.30AM. All services were 'cancelled' as a result, even the Bakerloo and Overground.

Bit more than a track circuit failure!

Total signalling blackout everywhere south of Hatch End which took out Wembley ML / Suburban and Yard boxes so nothing running at all for nearly an hour

 

[Danielo]

I was always under the impression that the DC and mainline were on seperate systems (both signalling and power).

 

[33056]

I was always under the impression that the DC and mainline were on seperate systems (both signalling and power).

The three boxes mentioned are so close that they share the same power supply; don't forget that although the DC lines are separate and have their own "work station", it is actually inside the same room as the main line panel.

 

[Danielo]

Apologies to the moderators, but I am not sure if I am able to post a link to another forum.

http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/showthread.php?thread=5632

Maybe we can continue the discussion started at Railwayscene here, as it is highly relavent to our discussion.

 

[87015]

More quality LM Local Press

http://www.leightonbuzzardonline.co.uk/news/Neighbours39-in-shock-as-multistoreycar.5032604.jp

Just off to post a delay repay for Saturday mornings cancellations....

 

[Mojo]

Given the excessive amount of consultation required for "serious" projects such as CTRL/HS1, new stations and Crossrail - it's a bit of a joke that they can then go and build what they like elsewhere.

 

[Danielo]

07.04 departure from Rugby today (calling at H&W at 08.31) was initially delayed at Rugby because it was awaiting a member of the train crew. It has since been further delayed due to a train fault. This is a 3 unit 350 (12 coaches).

 

[Danielo]

There is a strike planned for tomorrow (Friday) and Monday. Emergency timetable will be in place.

 

[87015]

http://www.rmt.org.uk/Templates/Internal.asp?NodeID=120464

Quality.

 

[Pumbaa]

Brilliant. As if I didn't need another reason to not travel with LM.

 

[Danielo]

LM services were using the fast lines this morning at about 08.40 (i.e. departing from platform 4 at H&W). Made for such a nice and smooth ride on a 350/2 that I caught. Just after Wembley, there was an earlier 321 with passengers that was manouvring its way through the Wembley sidings, i.e. getting off the slow lines, and going under them, and rejoining the mainline just after the LOROL depot.

Anyone with any ideas what was going on?

 

[Mojo]

I wonder if this is an appropriate time for militancy - there are plenty of staff on the "market" at the moment, and who is to stop LM setting up the services for DOO and doing a deal with Aslef for an extra couple of grand a year?

I did never understand though how so many routes out of London going north went DOO but the WCML locals never did - scanning briefly through the LSE map (let me know if I've missed anything), but the locals out of Paddington, Marylebone, DC Lines from Euston, St Pancras (Thameslink), Kings Cross, Liverpool Street. To be fair Fenchurch Street DOO was quite recent but other than that Euston (with the exception of the DC Lines) seems to be the odd one out. I don't know about the Southern 3rd Rail routes so can't comment.

 

[Daimler]

I wonder if this is an appropriate time for militancy - there are plenty of staff on the "market" at the moment, and who is to stop LM setting up the services for DOO and doing a deal with Aslef for an extra couple of grand a year?

I did never understand though how so many routes out of London going north went DOO but the WCML locals never did - scanning briefly through the LSE map (let me know if I've missed anything), but the locals out of Paddington, Marylebone, DC Lines from Euston, St Pancras (Thameslink), Kings Cross, Liverpool Street. To be fair Fenchurch Street DOO was quite recent but other than that Euston (with the exception of the DC Lines) seems to be the odd one out. I don't know about the Southern 3rd Rail routes so can't comment.

Would make for quicker load/unload times. For some ridiculous, stupid reason, London Midland guards have to get out from their cabs/wherever they are in the train, look up and down the train, and only then open the train doors. Sometimes we're waiting at the doors for - literally - 20 or more seconds for them to open.

 

[Pumbaa]

Would make for quicker load/unload times. For some ridiculous, stupid reason, London Midland guards have to get out from their cabs/wherever they are in the train, look up and down the train, and only then open the train doors. Sometimes we're waiting at the doors for - literally - 20 or more seconds for them to open.

Happens up and down the country on Desiro stock - on Electrostars/Turbostars the doors all release automatically when the train decides it's in the station. LDO makes this a lot easier though!

 

[87015]

There was some riot with signals/track/power whatever in the Wembley area - delayed my 0854 Euston-Bham by 45 minutes so yet another delay repay will be in the post.

Interestingly the Euston lines were set up for DOO, although I'm not sure if it ever came into use, for 317s. Then they introduced the 321s, mirrors/cameras where then in the wrong place for the 321s so were removed!!

I've a suspicion the rather noticeable delayed opening of doors is down to staff morale being on the floor - wouldn't want to rush would they!

 

[Daimler]

Happens up and down the country on Desiro stock - on Electrostars/Turbostars the doors all release automatically when the train decides it's in the station. LDO makes this a lot easier though!

I don't know about that - until very recently this wasn't a problem, and then it suddenly started happening - not just on the 350s, but on the 321s. After all, most units don't have auto door release, and I don't find myself waiting ages to get on and off. I noticed at the time that suddenly the guards would get out before opening the doors, so I suspect this some sort of stupid rule on London Midland.

My suspicions as to why it takes quite so long are the same as 87015's - I've seen staff get out, examine things on the platform, and only then open the doors - most annoying .

 

[87015]

Oh, and whilst I'm ranting, the 1753 Brum-Euston was caped today (and inward 1711 Cov-Brum), unit sent empties Cov-Northampton (?) due no guard available. Cheers then,few things more infuriating than seeing your cancelled train go flying past!!

 

[Mojo]

I believe it's in the rules - to ensure that the train is fully in the platform. I'd actually never noticed it before until someone told me - and it seems that every guard I've since come across has done that, with one or two exceptions.

 

[Jordy]

TPE seems to be the same, the guards always get out of the cabs, then get back in again and release the doors.

Quite why they can't just look out of the dropdown window I don't know!

 

[33056]

Problem yesterday morning was a points failure at Harlesden Junction.

The WCML was indeed all set up for DOO in the late 1980s, CSR (Cab Secure Radio) provided in the signal boxes and platform equipment for the 317 units. DOO was never brought in before the 317s were replaced.

 

[Danielo]

LM suffering a bout of broken down trains and train faults this morning! This hardly ever happened with the trusty 321s!

 

[87015]

On strike 29/30 March. http://www.rmt.org.uk/Templates/Internal.asp?NodeID=120816&int1stParentNodeID=89732

A couple of cancellations today.... Central Trains fever strikes again.
The following trains will not run:

1134 Birmingham New Street to Coventry
1234 Birmingham New Street to Coventry
1934 Birmingham New Street to Coventry
2034 Birmingham New Street to Coventry
2134 Birmingham New Street to Coventry
2234 Birmingham New Street to Coventry

1208 Coventry to Birmingham New Street
1310 Coventry to Birmingham New Street
1810 Coventry to Birmingham New Street
2010 Coventry to Birmingham New Street
2110 Coventry to Birmingham New Street
2208 Coventry to Birmingham New Street
2308 Coventry to Birmingham New Street

1314 Birmingham New Street to Northampton
1414 Birmingham New Street to Northampton
1734 Birmingham New Street to Northampton
2114 Birmingham New Street to Northampton

1000 Northampton to Birmingham New Street
1100 Northampton to Birmingham New Street
1551 Northampton to Birmingham New Street
1853 Northampton to Birmingham New Street
1951 Northampton to Birmingham New Street

1125 Northampton to London Euston
1154 Bletchley to London Euston
1315 Tring to London Euston
1615 Tring to London Euston
1611 Milton Keynes Central to London Euston
1626 Rugby to London Euston
1725 Northampton to London Euston
1811 Milton Keynes Central to London Euston
1815 Tring to London Euston

1214 London Euston to Tring
1350 London Euston to Rugby
1354 London Euston to Milton Keynes Central
1514 London Euston to Tring
1534 London Euston to Northampton
1654 London Euston to Milton Keynes Central
1714 London Euston to Tring
1734 London Euston to Northampton
1934 London Euston to Northampton
1950 London Euston to Rugby
0004 (Monday) London Euston to Northampton

1303 Lichfield Trent Valley to Redditch
1633 Lichfield Trent Valley to Redditch
1703 Lichfield Trent Valley to Redditch
1933 Lichfield Trent Valley to Redditch
2033 Lichfield Trent Valley to Redditch
2203 Lichfield Trent Valley to Redditch
2233 Lichfield Trent Valley to Redditch

1457 Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley
1527 Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley
1757 Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley
2027 Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley
2057 Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley
2157 Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley

1134 Liverpool Lime Street to Birmingham New Street
1234 Liverpool Lime Street to Birmingham New Street
1634 Liverpool Lime Street to Birmingham New Street
1734 Liverpool Lime Street to Birmingham New Street
2134 Liverpool Lime Street to Birmingham New Street

0932 Birmingham New Street to Liverpool Lime Street
1034 Birmingham New Street to Liverpool Lime Street
1516 Birmingham New Street to Liverpool Lime Street
1916 Birmingham New Street to Liverpool Lime Street
2116 Birmingham New Street to Crewe

1617 Birmingham New Street to Walsall
1640 Birmingham New Street to Rugeley
1740 Birmingham New Street to Rugeley
1840 Birmingham New Street to Rugeley

1700 Walsall to Birmingham New Street
1748 Rugeley to Birmingham New Street
1848 Rugeley to Birmingham New Street
1948 Rugeley to Birmingham New Street

The following trains will be amended:

1215 Birmingham New Street to Liverpool Lime Street will not run between Crewe and Liverpool
1716 Birmingham New Street to Liverpool Lime Street will not run between Birmingham and Crewe

1411 Milton Keynes to London Euston will not run between Bletchley and Euston
1511 Milton Keynes to London Euston will not run between Milton Keynes and Bletchley
1334 Crewe to London Euston will not run between Northampton and London Euston
1938 Crewe to London Euston will not run between Rugby and London Euston

1850 London Euston to Crewe will not run between London Euston and Rugby

1333 Lichfield Trent Valley to Redditch will not run between Birmingham and Redditch
1403 Lichfield Trent Valley to Redditch will not run between Birmingham and Redditch
1903 Lichfield Trent Valley to Redditch will not run between Birmingham and Redditch

1427 Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley will not run between Redditch and Birmingham
1827 Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley will not run between Redditch and Birmingham
1857 Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley will not run between Birmingham and Lichfield
1957 Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley will not run between Redditch and Birmingham
2227 Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley will not run between Birmingham and Lichfield

 

[Pumbaa]

1411 Milton Keynes to London Euston will not run between Bletchley and Euston

So this train will effectively not run then!

Any reason given for CT fever?

 

[westcoaster]

Nice spring day for a family bbq I should think

 

[Danielo]

Any news of people mistaking LM trains for Southern services?