Yet another Labour reshuffle

[90sWereBetter]

Yup, old Jezza C is reshuffling his shadow cabinet once again. What's happened so far:

- Diane Abbott is the new Shadow Home Secretary, replacing Andy Burnham who is concentrating on his bid to become the mayor of Greater Manchester.

- Shami Chakrabarti is Shadow Attorney General

- Rosie Winterton has been sacked as the Chief Whip, and replaced by Nick Brown, which is an interesting move as he's been in this position previously under Blair and Gordon Brown.

All four top positions in the Shadow Cabinet are now held by London MPs, which isn't particularly good. To be honest, I thought Abbott's promotion was a ****take, but no, it's legit. :/

 

[Groningen]

Which line do they follow? All those of Corbyn or am i confused.

 

[Busaholic]

Nick Brown? Which stone did they unturn to re-discover him?

 

[Senex]

All four top positions in the Shadow Cabinet are now held by London MPs, which isn't particularly good. To be honest, I thought Abbott's promotion was a ****take, but no, it's legit. :/

Which is worse, the appointment of Abbott, or that of Chakrabarti after her part in the anti-semitism report and its public presentation?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

After what has gone on before, it is no surprise that Corbyn has made these appointments, unfortunately.

I wonder if they will appear in public, wearing their newly bestowed Order of Corbyn (First Class) medals.

 

[Johnuk123]

Which is worse, the appointment of Abbott, or that of Chakrabarti after her part in the anti-semitism report and its public presentation?

Chakrabarti ''spare me from Essex man'' has been bought and paid for and has lost any little respect she might have had.
Abbott is a racist with her long history of gobbing off against white people, if there is one person who is a cast iron certainty to turn off voters it's her.
Corbyn's wife must be in despair to think of him and his ex-lover now back together in long intimate meetings into the night, the visual picture could make you quite nauseous.
I don't know who writes Corbyn's twitter but somebody needs to point out that :

Two of the three “great offices of state” are, for the first-time ever, filled by women @HackneyAbbott @EmilyThornberry

is in fact immature rubbish as shadow ministers are not great offices of state and women have been in those jobs many times.

Mother Theresa must be really pleased.

 

[AlterEgo]

Chakrabarti has been bought and paid for and has lost any little respect she might have had.
Abbott is a racist with her long history of gobbing off against white people, if there is one person who is a cast iron certainty to turn off voters it's her.
Corbyn's wife must be in despair to think of him and his ex-lover now back together in long meetings into the night.

All the labour voters outside of North London which are essential to labour will have been pushed even farther away now.

Mother Theresa must be really pleased.

How true.

Chakrabarti's stock is at an all time low. A professional lobbyist turned politician is rarely a good thing.

She was far more effective as director of Liberty than she'll ever be in the Lords or the unelectable Shadow Cabinet.

 

[Phil.]

How true.

Chakrabarti's stock is at an all time low. A professional lobbyist turned politician is rarely a good thing.

She was far more effective as director of Liberty than she'll ever be in the Lords or the unelectable Shadow Cabinet.

Ah Chakrabarti. A bought and paid for member of Labour's ruling class. A Baroness no less. Amply rewarded for the whitewash report she made for comrade Corbyn. Y'know Labour, the party that are against privilege and private/grammar schools. Remind us again Ms. Chakrabarti, how much does it cost you to send your son to exclusive(and expensive) Dulwich College?

 

[northwichcat]

- Rosie Winterton has been sacked as the Chief Whip, and replaced by Nick Brown, which is an interesting move as he's been in this position previously under Blair and Gordon Brown.

Apparently she was in favour of an elected shadow cabinet and Corbyn isn't so it sounds like Corbyn wanted to get rid of her before to avoid a situation like the one he had with Hilary Benn in his cabinet.

I think what Corbyn doesn't get is while John McDonnell and Diane Abbott may be his friends they are among the least popular Labour MPs with those who aren't Labour supporters, so giving them prominent positions won't help Labour win votes from people who would consider voting Green, Lib Dem, Conservative or even UKIP.

If Corbyn wants to do something controversial it should be to give the Shadow Health Secretary role to someone who's only been MP for a few months - Rosena Allin-Khan. The NHS is really one area no-one seems to think the Conservatives are doing well in and who better to exploit that weakness than a qualified doctor?

 

[Yew]

Even as someone who is rather pro-Corbyn, I'm really not a fan of Abbot. She's perhaps useful as an advocate of minority issues, however Corbyn is relatively on the ball with those. He could really do with someone to translate his policies and views through the lens of white, working class voters, from which Labour has been hemorrhaging support due to the Right wings efforts to blame all of our nations ills on immigrants.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Ah Chakrabarti. A bought and paid for member of Labour's ruling class. A Baroness no less. Amply rewarded for the whitewash report she made for comrade Corbyn.

Ah yes, of course. The standard thing to do when someone spends time investigating something and, based on their detailed research, comes up with a conclusion that you happen not to like (because it doesn't match the vague impression you get from reading the tabloids and watching telly). Just dismiss it as a whitewash. Works every time...

 

[DarloRich]

Nick Brown? Which stone did they unturn to re-discover him?

Newcastle upon East - where he has been MP since 1983 :roll:

 

[Lankyline]

Well unless the Tories really screw up, Corbyn probably just handed them the next election with that line up !

 

[Busaholic]

Newcastle upon East - where he has been MP since 1983 :roll:

I'm sure he's rarely out of the thoughts of the electors of Newcastle, but mentions of him in dispatches have been rare in the rest of the country. The only thing I can recollect about him was that he was a Minister of Agriculture at some stage (in a long line of politicians who never got to grips with that post) and that he declared himself gay, maybe trying to make himself more memorable

 

[backontrack]

If Corbyn wants to do something controversial it should be to give the Shadow Health Secretary role to someone who's only been MP for a few months - Rosena Allin-Khan. The NHS is really one area no-one seems to think the Conservatives are doing well in and who better to exploit that weakness than a qualified doctor?

Here here.

 

[DarloRich]

I'm sure he's rarely out of the thoughts of the electors of Newcastle, but mentions of him in dispatches have been rare in the rest of the country. The only thing I can recollect about him was that he was a Minister of Agriculture at some stage (in a long line of politicians who never got to grips with that post) and that he declared himself gay, maybe trying to make himself more memorable

he has done the chief whip role before - well Government Chief Whip not Opposition Chief Whip ( he was my MP for a year when i lived in Newcastle)

 

[Busaholic]

he has done the chief whip role before - well Government Chief Whip not Opposition Chief Whip ( he was my MP for a year when i lived in Newcastle)

I was aware of the Chief Whip role - I've taken too active an interest in parliamentary matters for my own sanity for a long, long time.

 

[miami]

After what has gone on before, it is no surprise that Corbyn has made these appointments, unfortunately.

I wonder if they will appear in public, wearing their newly bestowed Order of Corbyn (First Class) medals.

Surely "Order of Corbyn (Floor Class) medals"?

 

[tbtc]

Does anyone else hear "Diane Abbott" in the Dead Ringers "Andrew Neil" voice, every time her name is mentioned?

(too niche a reference?)

- Shami Chakrabarti is Shadow Attorney General

The Chakrabarti story really stinks.

She's gone from not being a member of the party to carrying out an "unbiased" report into the party to being catapulted into the House Of Lords and the Shadow Cabinet in the space of months?

We criticise May for "not being elected" as PM, but what was Chakrabarti ever elected to?

- Rosie Winterton has been sacked as the Chief Whip, and replaced by Nick Brown, which is an interesting move as he's been in this position previously under Blair and Gordon Brown

I feel really sorry for Winterton who seems to have diligently tried to find a workable relationship between Corbyn and the PLP - only to get dumped (shortly after Corby's "olive branch" rhetoric - which has turned out to look pretty false)

Good luck to Nick Brown (a capable bloke under previous Labour leaders - can't fault him), trying to whip MPs into following Corbyn's party line, even though Corbyn was the biggest rebel as a backbencher - now Corbyn will expect slavish devotion from *his* backbenchers. Brown will be in a tricky position!

All four top positions in the Shadow Cabinet are now held by London MPs, which isn't particularly good

It shows a geographically diverse Shadow Cabinet. North Islington, South Islington, East Islington and West Islington

I don't know who writes Corbyn's twitter but somebody needs to point out that : is in fact immature rubbish as shadow ministers are not great offices of state and women have been in those jobs many times

Made even worse by the fact that Corbyn brushed aside criticism of his previous cabinet giving women more "minor" roles in 2015 was along the lines of

the so-called “great offices of state” as defined in the 19th century reflect an era before women or workers even had the vote, and before Labour had radically changed the state’

...but now, he's suddenly crowing about the importance of these "Great Offices" and they are no longer a Victorian relic because he's got round to promoting women to some of the roles?

I'm left of centre, but this guy is embarrassing.

I think what Corbyn doesn't get is while John McDonnell and Diane Abbott may be his friends they are among the least popular Labour MPs with those who aren't Labour supporters, so giving them prominent positions won't help Labour win votes from people who would consider voting Green, Lib Dem, Conservative or even UKIP

Agreed.

Swing voters won't be convinced by Abbot and McDonnell - they'll be scared of them.

If you want to win then you need to appeal to people who don't all share exactly the same point on the political spectrum as you.

Cameron gave the impression that he cared about liberal issues like International Aid/ Equal Marriage/ hugging "hoodies" etc (and didn't bang on about "True Blue" topics like fox hunting), so he appeared unthreatening to centrist voters who had voted for Blair previously.

Corbyn isn't interested in appealing to people elsewhere on the political spectrum, which would mean ditching John McDonnell and Diane Abbott for moderate Labour MPs much better at connecting with The Great British Public like Chuka Umunna, Hillary Benn and Sadiq Khan. But they are all BLAIRITE TRATOR RED TORYZ in the eyes of the true believers, so he's not interested in working with them.

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

Corbyn isn't interested in appealing to people elsewhere on the political spectrum, which would mean ditching John McDonnell and Diane Abbott for moderate Labour MPs much better at connecting with The Great British Public like Chuka Umunna, Hillary Benn and Sadiq Khan. But they are all BLAIRITE TRATOR RED TORYZ in the eyes of the true believers, so he's not interested in working with them.

Sadiq Khan isn't an MP. Why would Jeremy Corbyn wish to bring back into the Shadow Cabinet someone who 'led' an embarassingly inept coup against him? (Hillary Benn). Chuka Umanna was tipped to stand last year but didn't....and I've yet to see a good definition of 'moderate'...it's like 'centrist', means absolutely nothing!

 

[90019]

Does anyone else hear "Diane Abbott" in the Dead Ringers "Andrew Neil" voice, every time her name is mentioned?

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

 

[jon0844]

Jeremy would appear to have no desire to run the country, but carry on as he's always done - being someone who talks a lot and says what people want to hear.

He is now able to talk the talk without dissent from within the party and can blame the Government, whilst never actually having to put his money where his mouth is.

He must hope he'll be looked upon favourably in history as someone who stood up for the people, even though at the time we all knew he didn't stand for anyone as he never had a chance of achieving anything.

That has been proven by his land interest in the referendum, helping lead us to some seriously life changing times ahead, and not even standing up to the PM during question time, opting for arguably made up questions from third parties so he doesn't get shot down (the tactic being that the PM could talk down the shadow leader, but not normal people).

It's time for people to break away and form a new party I think.

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[Busaholic]

Does anyone else hear "Diane Abbott" in the Dead Ringers "Andrew Neil" voice, every time her name is mentioned?

(too niche a reference?)



The Chakrabarti story really stinks.

She's gone from not being a member of the party to carrying out an "unbiased" report into the party to being catapulted into the House Of Lords and the Shadow Cabinet in the space of months?

We criticise May for "not being elected" as PM, but what was Chakrabarti ever elected to?



I feel really sorry for Winterton who seems to have diligently tried to find a workable relationship between Corbyn and the PLP - only to get dumped (shortly after Corby's "olive branch" rhetoric - which has turned out to look pretty false)

Good luck to Nick Brown (a capable bloke under previous Labour leaders - can't fault him), trying to whip MPs into following Corbyn's party line, even though Corbyn was the biggest rebel as a backbencher - now Corbyn will expect slavish devotion from *his* backbenchers. Brown will be in a tricky position!



It shows a geographically diverse Shadow Cabinet. North Islington, South Islington, East Islington and West Islington



Made even worse by the fact that Corbyn brushed aside criticism of his previous cabinet giving women more "minor" roles in 2015 was along the lines of



...but now, he's suddenly crowing about the importance of these "Great Offices" and they are no longer a Victorian relic because he's got round to promoting women to some of the roles?

I'm left of centre, but this guy is embarrassing.



Agreed.

Swing voters won't be convinced by Abbot and McDonnell - they'll be scared of them.

If you want to win then you need to appeal to people who don't all share exactly the same point on the political spectrum as you.

Cameron gave the impression that he cared about liberal issues like International Aid/ Equal Marriage/ hugging "hoodies" etc (and didn't bang on about "True Blue" topics like fox hunting), so he appeared unthreatening to centrist voters who had voted for Blair previously.

Corbyn isn't interested in appealing to people elsewhere on the political spectrum, which would mean ditching John McDonnell and Diane Abbott for moderate Labour MPs much better at connecting with The Great British Public like Chuka Umunna, Hillary Benn and Sadiq Khan. But they are all BLAIRITE TRATOR RED TORYZ in the eyes of the true believers, so he's not interested in working with them.

I usually hear Jan Raven's (?) elongation of the word Hackney in Diane's voice

Latest Chakrabarti insight is that when she made disparaging remarks about Essex Man she'd apparently forgotten she is currently Chancellor of Essex University!

Nick Brown is a machine-politics man like e.g. Gerald Kaufman and no boat rocker. The substantial extra salary granted to the main Opposition Chief Whip may well have been a determining factor in his accepting the position.

With regard to John McDonnell, a man whose career I've followed fairly closely for some time, I think he may be becoming clinically paranoid. Power, or at least the possibility of attaining it at long last, may not be the best remedy for him: perhaps he is now just too old to be getting into all this.

 

[Phil.]

Ah yes, of course. The standard thing to do when someone spends time investigating something and, based on their detailed research, comes up with a conclusion that you happen not to like (because it doesn't match the vague impression you get from reading the tabloids and watching telly). Just dismiss it as a whitewash. Works every time...

So those Jewish M.P.s who were being threatened by intimidating e-mails and texts were just fantasising?

 

[DarloRich]

a 17 point lead for The Tory party ( there 2nd highest ever!) in a poll by ICM today. I blame the Zionist/Red Tory/Blairite/ MSM evilitude. It couldn't be that old Jezza is talking rot................

 

[jon0844]

Yes, despite the summer break, everyone else in the world has colluded together to destroy the honest, ethical, Jeremy Corbyn and his entourage.

 

[tbtc]

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Jeremy would appear to have no desire to run the country, but carry on as he's always done - being someone who talks a lot and says what people want to hear.

He is now able to talk the talk without dissent from within the party and can blame the Government, whilst never actually having to put his money where his mouth is.

He must hope he'll be looked upon favourably in history as someone who stood up for the people, even though at the time we all knew he didn't stand for anyone as he never had a chance of achieving anything.

That has been proven by his land interest in the referendum, helping lead us to some seriously life changing times ahead, and not even standing up to the PM during question time, opting for arguably made up questions from third parties so he doesn't get shot down (the tactic being that the PM could talk down the shadow leader, but not normal people).

It's time for people to break away and form a new party I think

I agree with all of this.

Corbyn's tactics are basically:

1. Come out with bland statements like "austerity is bad" and "I'd rather we had no nuclear weapons" that lack substance

2. Hold rallies in front of adoring supporters instead of dealing with hard hitting interviews (Newsnight, Today etc) then blaming the mainstream media for not giving him uncritical front page coverage

3. ?????

4. Election win ("profit" being a dirty word in Corbyn circles)

He could have come out of his comfort zone in the referendum and made a difference. But he stayed in his little bubble of likeminded travellers and "traditional Labour" places like Sheffield voted for Brexit.

I'd like to like the guy, I really would. But I've reached a stage where pretty slogans are no match for getting your hands grubby and coming out fighting. Corbyn just doesn't seem bothered (and, seems happy to be on the fringes).

With regard to John McDonnell, a man whose career I've followed fairly closely for some time, I think he may be becoming clinically paranoid. Power, or at least the possibility of attaining it at long last, may not be the best remedy for him: perhaps he is now just too old to be getting into all this.

Agreed - he's really struggling

a 17 point lead for The Tory party ( there 2nd highest ever!) in a poll by ICM today. I blame the Zionist/Red Tory/Blairite/ MSM evilitude. It couldn't be that old Jezza is talking rot................

It's okay - we can just blame this on "the coup" (even though the majority of UK voters won't be aware of the leadership challenge or couldn't tell you much about it now Corbyn was re-elected) because the left's orthodoxy is to believe that "WE WERE AHEAD IN ALL OF THE POLLS BEFORE THE COUP", as if the only reason Corbyn struggles in the polls is because of lack of backbench support (the same lack of support which presumably is the reason for his scattergun approach at PMQs and his unwillingness to fight his corner on Today etc - much easier to moan about "MSM bias" than to go on those programmes and argue your cause like regular politicians.

I'm sure on Facebook tonight I'll see at least a couple of people sharing articles about how "the establishment are scared of Corbyn" whilst ignoring the fact that 74% of the electorate won't vote for the bloke.

 

[jon0844]

In other words, he's taking his strategy from the underpants gnomes.

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

a 17 point lead for The Tory party ( there 2nd highest ever!) in a poll by ICM today. I blame the Zionist/Red Tory/Blairite/ MSM evilitude. It couldn't be that old Jezza is talking rot................

Well, your Owen Smith barely had any differences with Jeremy Corbyn over policy!

 

[HSTEd]

Politics isn't actually about policy - we don't live in a technocracy.

But someone who was/is the vice-chairman of an organisation that was almost certainly funded by the KGB is going to do badly with the majority of the electorate. Even before all the talk about his friends in Hezbollah and the IRA. Do you think he has any chance in a General election campaign?