EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[yorksrob]

Since wars are largely about resources, a good way to create peace is to establish a mutual economic dependence. Trade is therefore a very important part in maintaining peace, so it's in everyones' interests to maintain good relations with our neighbours.

Fair point, although that must also be balanced against respecting countries rights to govern themselves, which I also believe is important for peaceful coexistance.

 

[ainsworth74]

To annoy the brexiteers?

I'd prefer national policy be based on something a little more robust personally.

 

[NSEFAN]

Fair point, although that must also be balanced against respecting countries rights to govern themselves, which I also believe is important for peaceful coexistance.

I agree. Are there any rights in particular that the EU does not respect?

 

[EM2]

http://jackofkent.com/2016/09/the-many-hurdles-of-brexit-a-short-summary-post/

The many hurdles of Brexit – a short summary post

25th September 2016

This is a short summary blogpost of what appear to be the main issues which need to be addressed for a Brexit to take place. I set out below the issues as questions, though they could just as easily be framed as statements.

I call each of these a “hurdle” – because it is possible that each one of these can be negotiated and jumped over; but it is also possible that each one can be an obstruction.

The “hurdles” are set out below in a rough sort of order. It is not suggested each of the these hurdles are the same height: but each needs to be dealt with or it could be a cause of delay or deadlock.

I haven't quoted the whole article, as it consists of nineteen 'hurdles', but interesting reading for both camps.

 

[Domh245]

So Teresa May is now saying that she'll trigger article 50 by March 2017, she'll include a "Great Repeal Act" in the Queen's speech, and that she'll pass a bill that enshrines all current EU law into UK law so that we can unpick ourselves more slowly from it. On that last point, there has been a fair bit of scepticism about it, because whilst it seems like an easy and obvious thing to do, it is far more complex and difficult than it would seem because of the many references to EU institution and bodies. A highly regarded Barrister on public law and constitutional law had this to say:

https://twitter.com/sirpauljenkins/status/782302093025669120

And so, here we go off to Planet La La.

 

[NSEFAN]

So Teresa May is now saying that she'll trigger article 50 by March 2017, she'll include a "Great Repeal Act" in the Queen's speech, and that she'll pass a bill that enshrines all current EU law into UK law so that we can unpick ourselves more slowly from it. On that last point, there has been a fair bit of scepticism about it, because whilst it seems like an easy and obvious thing to do, it is far more complex and difficult than it would seem because of the many references to EU institution and bodies. A highly regarded Barrister on public law and constitutional law had this to say:

Furthermore, the prime minister is not a dictator. Surely any "Great Repeal Act" would have to go through the standard scrutinisation from the commons and the lords? May 2017 seems optimistic with that in mind...

 

[AM9]

Furthermore, the prime minister is not a dictator. Surely any "Great Repeal Act" would have to go through the standard scrutinisation from the commons and the lords? May 2017 seems optimistic with that in mind...

Yes, expect some really entertaining phillibustering next year, especially in the Lords. It might get through by the next General Election, (if it didn't it would solve some problems for Ms. May).

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Yes, expect some really entertaining phillibustering next year, especially in the Lords. It might get through by the next General Election, (if it didn't it would solve some problems for Ms. May).

Are there not certain ways that have been used in the past to restrict such Parliamentary delaying tactics?

 

[Howardh]

How are they going to unpick the Good Friday Agreement?

 

[Senex]

How are they going to unpick the Good Friday Agreement?

May has shewn this weekend that she and her Brexiteers are not worried about the views of the Irish (and the Scots), so presumably she doesn't really mind what chaos ensues on the Irish internal border.

 

[ainsworth74]

May has shewn this weekend that she and her Brexiteers are not worried about the views of the Irish (and the Scots), so presumably she doesn't really mind what chaos ensues on the Irish internal border.

Well until they have to restart Op Banner at least. Then they'll start caring and quickly too.

 

[AM9]

Are there not certain ways that have been used in the past to restrict such Parliamentary delaying tactics?

Yes, the parliamentary (time) guillotine can be threatened, but for such a risky and controversial bill, it would be impossible to discriminate between a delaying tactic and a genuine issue regarding the consequences of the bill passing into law.
Of course she can threaten tory MPs with whatever she wants but that won'r stop the various opposition, and some tories aren't exactly compliamnt if they don't agree with changes. Bear in mind, most of the 3.8% majority in favour of leaving are from the Home counties including London, and various places in the post-industrial North. Any upset there would jeopardise her position in 2020.

 

[Senex]

Well until they have to restart Op Banner at least. Then they'll start caring and quickly too.

Oh indeed -- though at that stage it'll be a little late in the day.

As to Scotland, the attitude that they will just have to go along with whatever the UK administration, using crown prerogative, wants to do surely runs the risk of taking Anglo-Scottish relations to a new low.

 

[Hornet]

Well until they have to restart Op Banner at least. Then they'll start caring and quickly too.

Might finally sort out scumbags like 'Slab' Murphy.

http://www.thejournal.ie/slab-murphy-tax-offences-evasion-2626039-Feb2016/

 

[AlterEgo]

Well until they have to restart Op Banner at least. Then they'll start caring and quickly too.

That isn't going to happen.
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Might finally sort out scumbags like 'Slab' Murphy.

http://www.thejournal.ie/slab-murphy-tax-offences-evasion-2626039-Feb2016/

A bad man no doubt, but also one of the main reasons the Good Friday Agreement was able to happen. Would be stupid to "sort him out".

 

[Tetchytyke]

Sterling has collapsed again now May has decided to talk tough about Brexit.

We're still, of course, not actually any closer to knowing what she means with Brexit. But the conference words were tough, and that's been enough to tank the value of sterling today.

I just found EUR50 that I'd bought last year. Most valuable thing I've done all day.

 

[ainsworth74]

That isn't going to happen.

Hopefully not. But then people said the same thing about Brexit!

 

[Busaholic]

Interesting (as in 'may you live in interesting times') that Theresa May is probably more in favour of a hard Brexit than Boris Johnson is. I can only assume that she is listening to Dr Liam Fox - I suppose someone has to, I just wish it wasn't our PM.

 

[J-2739]

Who knows if she's just saying that so people start convincing themselves that Britain will leave everybody behind by next year? There was a reason why Brexit was pushed from November...

 

[miami]

Sterling has collapsed again now May has decided to talk tough about Brexit.

We're still, of course, not actually any closer to knowing what she means with Brexit. But the conference words were tough, and that's been enough to tank the value of sterling today.

I just found EUR50 that I'd bought last year. Most valuable thing I've done all day.

When I walk into the ICC later I'm tempted to emulate the sports direct boss and his roll of £50 notes by putting my €20 note on the conveyer. Should generate quite the media storm.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Interesting (as in 'may you live in interesting times') that Theresa May is probably more in favour of a hard Brexit than Boris Johnson is.

Theresa May showed as Home Secretary just what a pathetic totalitarian Little Englander she is.

I don't think she gives a toss about Brexit, I don't think she's a Brexiteer at all, she just doesn't like those annoying brown people.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Theresa May showed as Home Secretary just what a pathetic totalitarian Little Englander she is.

I don't think she gives a toss about Brexit, I don't think she's a Brexiteer at all, she just doesn't like those annoying brown people.

So are you suggesting that Theresa May is racist?

 

[Tetchytyke]

So are you suggesting that Theresa May is racist?

Yes, I think I probably am.

 

[Spamcan81]

Yes, I think I probably am.

Then I think you are probably wrong.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Yes, I think I probably am.

Have you met Theresa May? Have you had a conversation with her? Have you any evidence to back up your remarks that she hates Asians and Blacks?

 

[Tetchytyke]

Have you any evidence to back up your remarks that she hates Asians and Blacks?

She is the Minister who devised and implemented the advertising vans driving around BAME areas telling immigrants to "go home".

She is also the Minister responsible for some of the worst abuses towards immigrants carried out by G4S.

If she's not actually a racist bigot, she certainly does a very good impression of one.

Have you met Theresa May?

Why should I need to meet her to form an opinion? I've never met the leader of Britain First but I'd say he was a vile racist bigot too.

 

[Bletchleyite]

She is the Minister who devised and implemented the advertising vans driving around BAME areas telling immigrants to "go home".

Telling illegal immigrants to go home is a perfectly acceptable thing to do and is not racist, and is most sensibly done in areas of high immigration. That is what those vans were doing. Note what the most prominent words on the van are.

In my view immigrants who wish to come to the UK and contribute to the country's diversity, pay taxes into our economy etc are most welcome (indeed, in my view we make it too difficult for some, e.g. Indian people). Those who sneak in, work on the black market or seek to fight against us or destroy our culture can, as far as I am concerned, get lost.
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Why should I need to meet her to form an opinion? I've never met the leader of Britain First but I'd say he was a vile racist bigot too.

I'd agree with that, but I think tarring Theresa May with that brush is quite unnecessary. I'm aware there are many people on here who dislike the Tories for many valid reasons, but lumping them in with that kind of openly-racist party is in my view borderline libellous.

 

[Tetchytyke]

I'd agree with that, but I think tarring Theresa May with that brush is quite unnecessary.

Given her record as Home Secretary, I politely disagree.

I think she's the same.

I'm aware there are many people on here who dislike the Tories for many valid reasons, but lumping them in with that kind of openly-racist party is in my view borderline libellous.

Not all Tories are racist. But I'm not talking about all Tories, I'm talking about one specific Tory.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Given her record as Home Secretary, I politely disagree

If you or your defence team had to answer your case in a Court of Law, having already made public your view on the specific matter you have made claim to, do you envisage any questioning by the prosecution team would be difficult for you to submit evidential replies to these?

 

[Tetchytyke]

I think May's record as Home Secretary- the demonisation of international students, the demonisation of asylum seekers, the violent abuse of vulnerable asylum seekers, the targeting of BAME areas for extra "enforcement"- speaks for itself.

I see Amber Rudd- May's personal appointee as new Home Secretary- is now proposing to send landlords to prison if they give shelter to an immigrant without the correct papers.

So yes, I stand by what I said.