North Greenwich to King's Cross St. Pancras

[JamesU2002]

New member here, so apologies if this isn't allowed, go easy on me

Want to ask all the knowledgable people here a quick question about the quickest/easiest travel route for the following journey:

North Greenwich to King's Cross St. Pancras

Most Journey Planners suggest North Greenwich via London Bridge then Northern Line up to King's Cross St. Pancras.

But knowing how busy London Bridge is during rush hour, and the fairly long interchange route (stairs etc), I was wondering if there was a quicker route.

Would North Greenwich via Baker Street then Met line to King's Cross St. Pancras, but a quicker overall route?

Basically trying to work out a route that includes interchange times, rather than just journey time on the tube.

Thanks all

 

[Ianno87]

New member here, so apologies if this isn't allowed, go easy on me

Want to ask all the knowledgable people here a quick question about the quickest/easiest travel route for the following journey:

North Greenwich to King's Cross St. Pancras

Most Journey Planners suggest North Greenwich via London Bridge then Northern Line up to King's Cross St. Pancras.

But knowing how busy London Bridge is during rush hour, and the fairly long interchange route (stairs etc), I was wondering if there was a quicker route.

Would North Greenwich via Baker Street then Met line to King's Cross St. Pancras, but a quicker overall route?

Basically trying to work out a route that includes interchange times, rather than just journey time on the tube.

Thanks all

Getting on the Northern Line at London Bridge can be a crush in both peaks, particularly the morning. Don't necessarily count on being able to board the first train that arrives.

A good alternative is changing at Green Park for the Victoria Line, fairly "swings and roundabouts" in terms of journey time compared to London Bridge (albeit moreso for Euston than KXSP)

 

[Tetchytyke]

The fastest route is changing at London Bridge, even in the peaks, but obviously it's not a pleasant interchange. The other good option would be Green Park for the Victoria Line, as Ianno87 said, it's slightly longer but should be slightly less of a hellish interchange.

Baker Street isn't a particularly good interchange, I wouldn't recommend it, as trains to Kings Cross run from opposite sides of the subsurface station. The other option really would be West Ham then a H&C to Kings Cross, but that's slow (although at least the S-stock gives a bit more room).

 

[JamesU2002]

Thanks both!

I've had a quick play with Tube Exits and they suggest the below times.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but is Bake Street - Met line adjacent to the Jubilee line as it suggests?

Or if it's just a simple straight work across then surely that would be quicker overall than London Bridge or Green park interchanges?

 

[Ianno87]

Thanks both!

I've had a quick play with Tube Exits and they suggest the below times.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but is Bake Street - Met line adjacent to the Jubilee line as it suggests?

Or if it's just a simple straight work across then surely that would be quicker overall than London Bridge or Green park interchanges?

No, they are anuthing but level! If memory serves correctly, it's up a longish escalator from the Jubilee Line, and then up a further flight of stairs onto the Met Line platform. I would not recommend.

 

[edwin_m]

No, they are anuthing but level! If memory serves correctly, it's up a longish escalator from the Jubilee Line, and then up a further flight of stairs onto the Met Line platform. I would not recommend.

Also the irritation that the next train towards KX could be in the Met platforms or in the Circle/H&S platform, so some risk of picking the wrong one with the added irritation that you can see it leaving but not get to it!

 

[telstarbox]

Is this for a commute or to get to Kings Cross/St Pancras for an onward train?

If it's a commute then depending on where you work, you could do Jubilee to Waterloo then Northern to Euston. That branch of the Northern line is less busy than the one via London Bridge.

 

[philjo]

If it isn't raining you could try Jubilee line to Southwark then approx 6 minute walk to Blackfriars (southern entrance) and use Thameslink to St Pancras. Southwark would be much less crowded than London Bridge. Personally I would use this route.


Or via West Ham & Hammersmith & city line will probably be a bit longer than going via Green Park but only the Kings Cross - Moorgate section is likely to be very crowded. (though the H&C are not as frequent )

 

[jopsuk]

Given it's not that much longer, the West Ham route would seem a decent punt?

 

[bb21]

Given it's not that much longer, the West Ham route would seem a decent punt?

Bear in mind West Ham to King's Cross direct is only every ten minutes.
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If it isn't raining you could try Jubilee line to Southwark then approx 6 minute walk to Blackfriars (southern entrance) and use Thameslink to St Pancras. Southwark would be much less crowded than London Bridge. Personally I would use this route.

Thameslink is highly temperamental, much more so than LUL services, and has its moments with big gaps in services.

None of these options in peak commuting times will be particularly pleasant. It all depends on what is most important to the OP.

 

[rebmcr]

This is most of my commute -- Green Park for Victoria is the best option Northbound, but for the reverse journey Baker Street is better.

 

[jon0844]

Thameslink is highly temperamental, much more so than LUL services, and has its moments with big gaps in services.

Yes, I'd avoid Thameslink right now. I came home from an event a week ago on the south bank, and just made a train before the next two were cancelled - the one running next being 75 minutes later.

One train fault and one train cancelled due to a shortage of train crew.

 

[JamesU2002]

This is most of my commute -- Green Park for Victoria is the best option Northbound, but for the reverse journey Baker Street is better.

Thanks all for the responses. Yeah, it's a new commute.

Curious rebmcr about why Baker Street on the reverse journey is better?

 

[edwin_m]

I seem to remember meeting someone who worked for Crossrail at Canary Wharf and came in from a north-western outer suburb somewhere. His route was to change (from Thameslink I think) to Jubilee at West Hampstead, because it only involved one change and he often got a seat.

 

[yorkie]

Curious rebmcr about why Baker Street on the reverse journey is better?

Well, for one thing, as others have said, if you are getting the Metropolitan Railway heading east out of Baker Street, there are 2 possible platforms (Met Line & Hammersmith & City/Circle) , but if you are arriving from the east there is no uncertainty over where to go!

 

[tellytype]

If it's simple you're looking for & want to avoid London Bridge

North Greenwich Jub to Canning Town
Canning Town DLR to Bank
Bank Northern to KX/SP

Benefit of the views & I always find the DLR quite cathartic on a long run like that. It's down to personal preference really. Personally, I prefer not to be in London at all haha

 

[rebmcr]

Thanks all for the responses. Yeah, it's a new commute.

Curious rebmcr about why Baker Street on the reverse journey is better?

You get a seat in the evening peak! (Since at Baker Street it's fresh into Z1 and has not picked up many passengers yet).

Northbound you don't spend very much time on the Victoria so the extra 5 minutes to go the 'long way around' isn't worth it for the sake of standing. The change at Green Park is horrible for the Piccadilly but for the Victoria it's just up the escalator and turn left.

Also worth noting is that the Jubilee & Victoria are both modernised infrastructure with failures & engineering both very rare.

 

[bramling]

New member here, so apologies if this isn't allowed, go easy on me

Want to ask all the knowledgable people here a quick question about the quickest/easiest travel route for the following journey:

North Greenwich to King's Cross St. Pancras

Most Journey Planners suggest North Greenwich via London Bridge then Northern Line up to King's Cross St. Pancras.

But knowing how busy London Bridge is during rush hour, and the fairly long interchange route (stairs etc), I was wondering if there was a quicker route.

Would North Greenwich via Baker Street then Met line to King's Cross St. Pancras, but a quicker overall route?

Basically trying to work out a route that includes interchange times, rather than just journey time on the tube.

Thanks all

Personally I'd just go with the London Bridge change. The snag is that you'd be boarding a busy train from North Greenwich to Canary Wharf (unless you can secure a North Greenwich starter), and the Northern Line will be very busy from London Bridge, although will likely empty out at Bank.

 

[CNash]

If it's simple you're looking for & want to avoid London Bridge

North Greenwich Jub to Canning Town
Canning Town DLR to Bank
Bank Northern to KX/SP

Benefit of the views & I always find the DLR quite cathartic on a long run like that. It's down to personal preference really. Personally, I prefer not to be in London at all haha

If the goal is to avoid crowds at London Bridge, directing him to go to Bank isn't much better (if at all). Via West Ham on the H&C would get my vote.

 

[gordonthemoron]

IME North Greenwich-London Bridge Jubilee trains will be jam packed on arrival at North Greenwich in the morning peak. Would North Greenwich-West Ham then take the first train, if it's District then walk from Aldgate East to Aldgate for Met or straight thru if it's H&C be an option?

 

[sjoh]

Or Jubilee to Stratford, cross to DLR to International, then southeastern high speed to St Pancras. Will cost you though.

 

[rebmcr]

Or Jubilee to Stratford, cross to DLR to International, then southeastern high speed to St Pancras. Will cost you though.

It will take longer too. The break-even for quickness on that route is around West Ham/Canning Town.

 

[BahrainLad]

North Greenwich to Stratford, brisk walk through a shoppping centre, Stratford International to St Pancras.

 

[Kite159]

North Greenwich to Stratford, brisk walk through a shoppping centre, Stratford International to St Pancras.

Might be the quickest, but certainly wouldn't be the cheapest with the HS premium