irresponsible photographer at Newton Le Willows

[Harbornite]

Oh no not those naughty users. What with you being in a position of authority and all that.

Have you got a problem or something? Is it because I showed you up?
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I wouldn't be too optimistic about BTP taking any action in this case, as this is the same organisation who chose to turn a blind eye to the many clearly identifiable people who trespassed on the ECML to see Flying Scotsman a few months ago.

Good point, that was a pretty poor show from the BTP.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Have you got a problem or something? Is it because I showed you up?

Showed me up? When did you do that? I don't have a problem with anything to do with trains other standing from Richmond into Waterloo in the morning. Oh and the cost of the ST.

 

[Harbornite]

Showed me up? When did you do that? I don't have a problem with anything to do with trains other standing from Richmond into Waterloo in the morning. Oh and the cost of the ST.

When you suggested that I didn't like having people in my photographs and I proved that this isn't always the case. Anyway, let's move on from this crap, I don't care about you or your commute if I'm honest and I expect you to think the same way.

 

[Llanigraham]

Someone did post that there is a ban on metal ladders on stations where there is overhead lines, I don't know if that is correct but if not there should be unless the line is under possession.

Correct; metal ladders are banned by NR in any area that they may "approach" overhead wires.

 

[yorkie]

Does this really warrant eight pages of discussion?

We don't have quotas, and if you don't want to read it, feel free not to.

Anyway, what more needs to be said?

If you don't need to say anything, feel free not to.

 

[Llanigraham]

In fairness it is a bit annoying when some git stands in front if your camera and isn't doing anything.

Tough!!
They have got just as much right to be there as you have.
I've purposely stood in front of some photographers when I have heard them complaining at other people.

 

[RichmondCommu]

When you suggested that I didn't like having people in my photographs and I proved that this isn't always the case. Anyway, let's move on from this crap, I don't care about you or your commute if I'm honest and I expect you to think the same way.

Well in the grand scheme of things (you know, life and all that) whether something matters to you so much that you have to try and prove a point by wasting your time to explain it is rather silly.

You may not care about my commute but I and many others do! If I didn't care about my commute I wouldn't have mentioned it!

 

[backontrack]

Some people (like me) can't see what all the fuss is about with a piece of machinery. Some treat it like a life or death situation (OK, slight exaggeration).

On this forum?

 

[Harbornite]

We don't have quotas, and if you don't want to read it, feel free not to.
If you don't need to say anything, feel free not to.

I'm not the one who started all this off topic crap about asking people to move out the way when taking photos. At least try to keep the thread on topic...

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Tough!!
They have got just as much right to be there as you have.
I've purposely stood in front of some photographers when I have heard them complaining at other people.

That's why I don't complain and if I have to ask, I do it politely. Do you refuse to move when asked politely?

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

In fairness it is a bit annoying when some git stands in front if your camera and isn't doing anything.

Just to remind you, I got to open days to photograph locomotives and not people. Just a thought!

Tough!!
They have got just as much right to be there as you have.
I've purposely stood in front of some photographers when I have heard them complaining at other people.

Harbornite I'm afraid that your posts suggest to me that deep down your attitude is only a little better than that of the plonker on the step-ladder. In other words that railway "occasions" (open day, railtour, etc) are times when you should have some sort of priority to take your photos without having to take account of others, only some of whom will have the same reasons for attending as you. If you ever look into the organisation of open days you will find that they are primarily public relations exercises aimed at the general public, particularly those who live in the area, with a goal of de-mystifying the depot operations. The fact that so many displays are clearly aimed at enthusiasts is largely because at least some of the staff involved are enthusiasts themselves. If getting photos that are guaranteed to be clear of obstructing people is so important then you need to attend those open days which have a separate photographers' session. Or else put up with some people reacting like Llanigraham has mentioned. And at times that has included me too. Patience is a virtue!

 

[t_star2001uk]

Harbornite I'm afraid that your posts suggest to me that deep down your attitude is only a little better than that of the plonker on the step-ladder. In other words that railway "occasions" (open day, railtour, etc) are times when you should have some sort of priority to take your photos without having to take account of others, only some of whom will have the same reasons for attending as you. If you ever look into the organisation of open days you will find that they are primarily public relations exercises aimed at the general public, particularly those who live in the area, with a goal of de-mystifying the depot operations. The fact that so many displays are clearly aimed at enthusiasts is largely because at least some of the staff involved are enthusiasts themselves. If getting photos that are guaranteed to be clear of obstructing people is so important then you need to attend those open days which have a separate photographers' session. Or else put up with some people reacting like Llanigraham has mentioned. And at times that has included me too. Patience is a virtue!

I agree. It does seem a little unfortunate that a small but it seems growing section of the rail photography enthusiast group, seem to think that the rules of plain old common sense dont apply to them. I have on numerous occasions stopped at stations only to have photographers move beyond the platform end signage and even to the bottom of the ramp to get that perfect picture. I did mention it here once and most of the replies were of the 'they were not doing anything wrong' category, in fact a lot of the replies were saying that because the signage at the end of the platforms say 'PASSENGERS' that does not apply to photographers.

 

[Nevillehill]

Tough!!
They have got just as much right to be there as you have.
I've purposely stood in front of some photographers when I have heard them complaining at other people.

Always remember when taking photographs, is that you don't own the view.

 

[transmanche]

I wonder if this guy was ever identified and prosecuted.

(TBH, the bloke with a tripod was being an idiot as well.)

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[Deepgreen]

Daft beggar. He isn't even wearing Hi-vis.

That would make it even worse - enthusiasts are implored NOT to wear hi-vis clothing in their possible attempts to appear as staff or mis-guidedly help train crews' sighting of them.

Extraordinary stupidity/selfishness that deserves some form of retribution, even if only basic education.
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I know, which is why I don't condone using stepladders to get pictures on stations.

:roll:


Just to remind you, I got to open days to photograph locomotives and not people. Just a thought!

Shall we get this back on topic? This chap could be anything really, all we know is that he's a tw*t who used a stepladder in a dangerous location to get a photo of a train. Does this really warrant eight pages of discussion? Anyway, what more needs to be said?

I would suggest that open days are the worst possible places to hope to be free of people!

 

[Wookiee]

Not that simple though is it? Define heritage traction.

442s

Fixed.

 

[al78]

Always remember when taking photographs, is that you don't own the view.

True, but deliberately trying to ruin someone elses shot is the act of a bloody-minded asshole.

Just because you have a legal right to do something, doesn't mean it's right (from the general social guidelines of civilised behaviour) to do it. I have a right to ride my bicycle in the middle of a traffic lane and not bother to pull in and let the building queue past, but I don't do this because it would be asshole behaviour. Basic rule, treat others as you would like to be treated yourself.

 

[Harbornite]

I've just got back from a linesiding session, I wasn't zapped despite my use of a camera pole and stepladder under OHLE.


My final word on the matter is that not wanting people to be in front of your camera and using a stepladder on a station are not the same. Just because I don't like having my view blocked doesn't mean I would ever consider using a stepladder on any station, let alone one with overhead wires. To assume that I condone this because I don't like having my view blocked is pretty silly.

I'm glad that I've cleared that up. Have a nice day everyone and don't be a dick to each other.

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

I wonder how many people have forgotten about the thin orange line that is painted at roughly cantrail height on all locos and passenger vehicles? It's there as a warning to all not to go above that height when a vehicle is under OHLE. Now just where do we think the step-ladder merchant was in relation to the position of said orange line? Or is the orange line an unnecessary adornment?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Apart from this discussion getting caught up with the OHLE business, do not forget how close he (and his stepladder) was to the edge of the platform and had the platform underneath been uneven/unstable there is every chance that the man would have been tipped over the edge onto the track falling on top of/or underneath his ladder with little or no chance of escape if a train was coming the other way. And with a camera around his neck with or without a long lens, this would have tipped his balance even more.

I still can't find words to describe the man in question....

 

[Llanigraham]

True, but deliberately trying to ruin someone elses shot is the act of a bloody-minded asshole.

Just because you have a legal right to do something, doesn't mean it's right (from the general social guidelines of civilised behaviour) to do it. I have a right to ride my bicycle in the middle of a traffic lane and not bother to pull in and let the building queue past, but I don't do this because it would be asshole behaviour. Basic rule, treat others as you would like to be treated yourself.

Follow that to it's conclusion:
I have just as much right to be there and look at the "whatever" as you, Mr Photographer, and if I want to look at it closely whilst you want to take a photo, then tough, you can wait for me to finish.

And this is exactly why some organisers now arrange a special "photographers" time at extra cost. If you don't want to pay that then, again, tough.

I "might" consider moving if I am asked very politely, but if I have heard you moaning about or to other people then I "might" take my time.:roll:

Life's a bitch, then you're dead!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Any news if the person concerned has been identified and reported to the relevant authorities yet?

 

[Kentish Paul]

Mods, can we put this to bed. All of us know the guy was a complete **** and should be dealt with.
All the posts about distances from OHLE and height above platform and rungs on ladder are irrelivant.

 

[Harbornite]

Mods, can we put this to bed. All of us know the guy was a complete **** and should be dealt with.
All the posts about distances from OHLE and height above platform and rungs on ladder are irrevilant.

I second this

 

[J-2739]

I hope this 'human' learns the difference between getting a 1080p photo, and playing dirty near a conductor line. See, electricity has a love hate relationship. But another thing, do you think this person deserves to die compared to the window hanger as a result of injuries?

 

[mac]

Mods, can we put this to bed. All of us know the guy was a complete **** and should be dealt with.
All the posts about distances from OHLE and height above platform and rungs on ladder are irrelivant.

Why should this be put to bed as soon as someone who knows nothing asks the ones in the no, as often happens when everyone agrees threads run on and on but as soon as someone asks something that doesn't fit the thread needs locking

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Mods, can we put this to bed. All of us know the guy was a complete **** and should be dealt with.
All the posts about distances from OHLE and height above platform and rungs on ladder are irrelivant.

I'm glad you asked and I was thinking the same thing when writing my last post.

 

[47802]

While no one would argue against the fact that he too close to the edge of the platform I'm not sure the ladder is any worse than a metal tripod that myself and many other enthusiasts have at the end of many platforms.

 

[Kentish Paul]

While no one would argue against the fact that he too close to the edge of the platform I'm not sure the ladder is any worse than a metal tripod that myself and many other enthusiasts have at the end of many platforms.

Good grief !! Words fail me.

 

[GB]

Good grief !! Words fail me.

Is your tripod extended 8 feet in the air?

 

[bb21]

I don't think the actual height of the ladder itself is the point here. It is more about this being a dangerous act with many possible nasty consequences. A sudden gust of wind would just about do it.

If this act were fine, how about next time someone bringing one that is just a couple of inches taller? What about someone just a couple of inches taller standing on top of this slightly taller ladder, holding a selfie stick perhaps? You get the picture.

What is important is that this is a highly dangerous act for many reasons. Exactly how many feet away from 25kV is a pretty moot point.

I have separated out the posts that want to discuss the technical aspects of this discussion. Other than that, I think it is safe to say that we are done here.