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I was wondering what the 25/20mph speed restriction at Reedham is for. I presume it's for the swing bridge and the junction for the Berney Arms branch, but it seems to go on for a while longer in both directions. Is this due to old permanent way or the old signalling system?

Closer to home, there's that infamous level crossing at Oulton Broad North, where the barriers go down almost 5 minutes before trains reach the station, causing traffic chaos and countless unhappy letters to the Lowestoft Journal and EDP :P. Will this be modified when the new signalling comes in during the next few years?

All in all, how much journey time will be saved when the resignalling is complete and the new Stadler trains are in operation?
 
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I notice in the latest "Rail" that Network Rail has abandoned plans to trial the "Digital Railway" components on the Wherry Lines in parallel with the resignalling.
This is only about a year since announcing the trial in the first place, and is an embarrassing U-turn.
The reason given was so as not to interfere with the resignalling of the routes.
They are now looking for somewhere "busier" for the trial.
 

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I notice in the latest "Rail" that Network Rail has abandoned plans to trial the "Digital Railway" components on the Wherry Lines in parallel with the resignalling.
This is only about a year since announcing the trial in the first place, and is an embarrassing U-turn.
The reason given was so as not to interfere with the resignalling of the routes.
They are now looking for somewhere "busier" for the trial.

yes embarrassing - or more likely the result of the NR devolved route administration rejecting it. There will be more of this in the future as the route MD's are all powerful.
 
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Reedham speed restriction is the line curvature both on the station side & Lowestoft side of the swing bridge as well as accross the bridge itself.
It is the riskyness of going digital signalling on the Wherry Lines as they have deadline to meet as there are a number of signallers due to retire by 2019 as well as maintaining the existing equipment which is proving difficult so rather than risk an overrun they are not going digital but will look at other lines to experiment with digital signalling.
 

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I notice in the latest "Rail" that Network Rail has abandoned plans to trial the "Digital Railway" components on the Wherry Lines in parallel with the resignalling.
This is only about a year since announcing the trial in the first place, and is an embarrassing U-turn.
The reason given was so as not to interfere with the resignalling of the routes.
They are now looking for somewhere "busier" for the trial.

Roger Ford's latest 'Informed Sources' says much the same thing - http://live.ezezine.com/ezine/archives/759/759-2016.08.22.05.00.archive.txt
 

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Reedham speed restriction is the line curvature both on the station side & Lowestoft side of the swing bridge as well as accross the bridge itself.
It is the riskyness of going digital signalling on the Wherry Lines as they have deadline to meet as there are a number of signallers due to retire by 2019 as well as maintaining the existing equipment which is proving difficult so rather than risk an overrun they are not going digital but will look at other lines to experiment with digital signalling.

The new signalling will be digital anyway using computer based interlocking, VDU control screens, electronic axle counters, LED signal heads on lightweight folding structures, etc. In many respects it will thus also be 'ETCS ready'. Using the 'modular' range of equipment and techniques developed in conjunction with NR, suppliers can deliver this technology quickly and cheaply unlike ETCS level 2 which is a much bigger job and full of cost and timescale unknowns both for infrastructure and traction. I'm sure the new Anglia fleet when it arrives will come with ETCS built in, but it is impossible to precisely match the signalling changeover to be at the exact same time as the whole train service switches to new stock, so either you'd have to retrofit trains that might be shortly going for scrap, or somewhere they wouldn't need ETCS, or you'd have to dual fit the new infrastructure with signals and TPWS and AWS. If only the UK had a ETCS Level 1 limited supervision option, that could be a very quick retrofit following resignalling to replace TPWS and AWS, and probably just perfect in terms of cost/capacity for such a rural railway. Perhaps the Route Director should have a word with the Swiss train suppliers to see how SBB are getting on with their limited supervision project (full network wide ETCS fitment on target for next year!).
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Roger Ford's latest 'Informed Sources' says much the same thing - http://live.ezezine.com/ezine/archives/759/759-2016.08.22.05.00.archive.txt

Thanks I hadn't read that very interesting piece. I'd always felt doing the Wherry Lines was just repeating the Cambrian line all over again, and that proved to be a very difficult and expensive pilot project. Level 2 'mainline' is also heavily over engineered for a largely single track rural line anyway as it's the single line that fundamentally defines the capacity and, no matter how fancy your signalling is, it can't make trains magically pass through each other!. Note David Waboso is reported as heaping praise on the Thameslink core resignalling project, which, as a high capacity project and with pretty much all the elements the DRP was supposed to be looking at, is much more useful than yet another rural experiment.
 
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I was wondering what the 25/20mph speed restriction at Reedham is for. I presume it's for the swing bridge and the junction for the Berney Arms branch, but it seems to go on for a while longer in both directions. Is this due to old permanent way or the old signalling system?

Closer to home, there's that infamous level crossing at Oulton Broad North, where the barriers go down almost 5 minutes before trains reach the station, causing traffic chaos and countless unhappy letters to the Lowestoft Journal and EDP :P. Will this be modified when the new signalling comes in during the next few years?

All in all, how much journey time will be saved when the resignalling is complete and the new Stadler trains are in operation?

As somebody stated the problem at Reedham is the curvature. On the down Lowestoft it starts with 15 over the points then linespeed to the curve then 20 all the way until the reverse bend near the New Cut. Same on the up but 20 from Reedham Junction Box to the station then linespeed. Apart from ironing out some of the restrictions around the station the 20 will have to remain all the way round & over the Swingbridge so very little time saving to be had here.

Oulton Broad North may get slightly better soon as the UP platform starter is being moved back to allow trains to enter the platform with barriers raised. This procedure was not a problem until around 20 years ago & happened daily. A new river crossing will alleviate some of the road traffic in a few years but as its full barriers nothing much will change with the time they are lowered.
 

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It will be interesting to know exactly where in NR land there's a busier area justifying vast amounts of money to be spent on resignalling where it isn't needed 'tomorrow' and where the TOC is entirely relaxed about the prospect of wholesale change to their operation just so the digital railway wonks can have another attempt at trying out their latest whizzo ideas.

I have always thought that the gulf between aspirational ideology and reality on both an operating and technical level was wide. Yet another confirmation it seems.......and that's before the reality that cost savings across the total system to be had are more an imagined figment than a reality. The reality is and always will be that unless the digital rail future can provide real and proven capacity enhancement which longer trains can't and only then in places where the intensity of train operation to provide that capacity drives the technical solution nowhere else will reach the bar of justification, either operationally or commercially.
 
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