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Then why is Atkins shedding 130 signalling engineers owing to a lack of orders from NR?
These people are gold dust, as resignalling is on the critical path for all upgrade projects.
You'd expect them to be recruiting, not firing.
All the more reason for NR to have a rolling programme of upgrades, otherwise the people you need are driven away to other industries / countries for work.
 

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All the more reason for NR to have a rolling programme of upgrades, otherwise the people you need are driven away to other industries / countries for work.

Absolutely. You would have thought that this lesson had been learnt by now.
 

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How much more complex is electrification when its conversion of 3rd rail to overhead apart from the obvious of clearances for the OLE for bridges, tunnels and any other over-line structure?

We don't know, we've not done any DC to AC conversion.

In theory, it should be a little more straight forward, as the signalling runs on DC territory are generally more disciplined but there will have to be work undertaken to prevent damage to third rail during piling works and steel erection.

The best thing to do is get moving with the Electric Spine once again, or doing something with the North Downs Line, and get practice at DC to AC conversion work.
 

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I would say in the last 5 or so years DfT has become much more prominent.
I agree. We only have to look at for how long under the Blair Ministries that the Transport brief was effectively considered a "part time" job, and there was also high turnover in the job.

May 1997 - June 2001: John Prescott, "super department" including Environment
June 2001 - May 2002: Stephen Byers, "super department" including Local Government

May 2002 - June 2003: Alistair Darling
June 2003 - May 2006: Alastair Darling, also SoS for Scotland
May 2006 - June 2007: Douglas Alexander, also SoS for Scotland

[Gordon Brown takes over]
June 2007 - October 2008: Ruth Kelly
October 2008 - June 2009: Geoff Hoon
June 2009 - May 2010: Lord Adonis
[Coalition gov't formed]
May 2010 - Oct 2011: Phillip Hammond
Oct 2011 - Sept 2012: Justine Greening
Sept 2012 - July 2016: Patrick McLoughlin
 

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Chris Grayling has just been on Radio 4, confirming full support for HS2 continues and spoke strongly in favour.
 

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Chris Grayling has just (on Radio 4) confirmed his commitment to HS2.
He also says the problems on Southern are receiving urgent attention and are "at the top" of his agenda.
 

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I agree. We only have to look at for how long under the Blair Ministries that the Transport brief was effectively considered a "part time" job, and there was also high turnover in the job.

I'd also agree with that.

I thought I would mention, since it was brought up in the International Railway Journal this week that out of Europe's major economies, the UK is currently investing the most on rail transport, at €152 per head.

Switzerland is still, unsurprisingly very much ahead at €383 per head, though that reflects some very expensive projects such as the Gotthard Base Tunnel spread over a relatively small population - HS2 will only have around 1/3rd of the effect on our spending per head despite being something in the regions of 4 times as costly.

We're now comfortably ahead of Spain (€36), France (€37), Germany (€56) and Italy (€72) and behind Austria (€192), Sweden (€177) and Denmark (€162) and our figure will increase with HS2 expenditure. It's fairly evident from these figures that transportation has become a much more important and powerful Government ministry to be appointed to.
 

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And I doubt Justine Greening was there long enough to deserve much praise or blame for anything that happened.

She was responsible for overseeing the award of the West Coast franchise to First Group before instead giving a direct award to Virgin, after which she was demoted.

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Claire Perry's replacement has been confirmed as Blackpool and Cleveley's MP Paul Maynard who has a disability* and grew up in Cheshire, being educated at St Ambrose College.

* So possibly won't be as keen to grant any exemption orders relating to the 2019 accessibility deadline as other MPs.
 
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Paul Maynard has cerebral palsy and a severe speech defect following complications at birth.
 

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I agree. We only have to look at for how long under the Blair Ministries that the Transport brief was effectively considered a "part time" job, and there was also high turnover in the job.

May 1997 - June 2001: John Prescott, "super department" including Environment
June 2001 - May 2002: Stephen Byers, "super department" including Local Government

May 2002 - June 2003: Alistair Darling
June 2003 - May 2006: Alastair Darling, also SoS for Scotland
May 2006 - June 2007: Douglas Alexander, also SoS for Scotland

[Gordon Brown takes over]
June 2007 - October 2008: Ruth Kelly
October 2008 - June 2009: Geoff Hoon
June 2009 - May 2010: Lord Adonis
[Coalition gov't formed]
May 2010 - Oct 2011: Phillip Hammond
Oct 2011 - Sept 2012: Justine Greening
Sept 2012 - July 2016: Patrick McLoughlin

High turnover under Labour? 6 SoS for Transport in 13 years under Labour. Give Chris Grayling a generous 'full' term until the next General Election in 2020, and that would be 4 SoS in 10 years under the Coalition/Conservatives. 2¼ years average under Labour. 2½ years average since 2010. Just one change before 2020 and the Coalition/Conservative average will drop below that of Labour.

Truth is, the Secretary of State for Transport is never a long term job regardless of the colour of government. John Prescott's 4 and a bit years and Patrick McLoughlin's near 4 years in the job were the exceptions rather than the rule. In the Thatcher/Major 11 years of power there were 11 SoS.
 

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She was responsible for overseeing the award of the West Coast franchise to First Group before instead giving a direct award to Virgin, after which she was demoted.

--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

Claire Perry's replacement has been confirmed as Blackpool and Cleveley's MP Paul Maynard who has a disability* and grew up in Cheshire, being educated at St Ambrose College.

* So possibly won't be as keen to grant any exemption orders relating to the 2019 accessibility deadline as other MPs.

He could just as easily be happy to demonstrate derogations and safeguards are to his satisfaction. There will have to be derogations, it's now too late to deal with all the non compliant stock.
 

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Claire Perry's replacement has been confirmed as Blackpool and Cleveley's MP Paul Maynard who has a disability* and grew up in Cheshire, being educated at St Ambrose College.

* So possibly won't be as keen to grant any exemption orders relating to the 2019 accessibility deadline as other MPs.

Good news for the NW projects as well.
 

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She was responsible for overseeing the award of the West Coast franchise to First Group before instead giving a direct award to Virgin, after which she was demoted.

No, the reshuffle happened before the ICWC debacle, though Virgin's appeal was in progress.
Patrick McLoughlin walked straight into it as a "hospital pass" and cancelled the competition a month later.
She did preside over the flawed risk calculations though, and the initial award to First.
I wonder if the Permanent Secretary (Philip Rutnam) is still protesting that the First bid was "deliverable"?
Also I wonder it he will stay at the DfT.
It's just the time for musical chairs, especially with Brexit in progress.
He was a Treasury star at one time.
 
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I agree. We only have to look at for how long under the Blair Ministries that the Transport brief was effectively considered a "part time" job, and there was also high turnover in the job.
With road building being out of favour, and rail improvements at the mercy of Railtrack, Transport wasn't a good place to look for eye-catching initiatives with which the prime minister could become personally associated.
June 2003 - May 2006: Alastair Darling, also SoS for Scotland
May 2006 - June 2007: Douglas Alexander, also SoS for Scotland
Was this to do with how the Westminster government saw the Scotland (and Wales, for that matter) Office rather than Transport? Gordon Brown initially made the Defence Secretary, Des Browne, SoS for Scotland, and that was after Labour lost Holyrood.
 
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Chris Grayling has just been on Radio 4, confirming full support for HS2 continues and spoke strongly in favour.

Reported in the Guardian.

HS2 will go ahead, says new transport secretary
Chris Grayling promises not to scrap high-speed rail project and says quick decision is needed on airport expansion

The new transport secretary has backed the high-speed HS2 rail project.

Chris Grayling promised not to scrap HS2, after questions were raised about the project’s future under Theresa May’s new government.

Grayling emphasised that the line was as much about capacity as it was about speed, saying it would help ease congestion on overcrowded trains.

“I have no plans to back away from the HS2 project,” he told BBC Radio 4’s The World This Weekend.

“And the thing that’s important for people to understand is that HS2 is not simply a speed project, it’s a capacity project. We have lines at the moment which have seen huge increases in the number of passengers, the amount of freight in recent years.

“The west coast mainline, for example, is becoming really congested. It’s limiting the capacity of services to places like Northampton and Milton Keynes.”

He added: “Of course it makes sense, if we’re going to build a new railway line, for it to be a fast railway line, to reduce travel times from north to south. That’s logical.

“But actually we need a better transport system for the 21st century, and HS2 is part of increasing the capacity of our transport system.”

Meanwhile, Grayling said he wanted to make a rapid decision on airport capacity. His predecessor Patrick McLoughlin warned that the timetable for a new runway set out by the Airports Commission might only be met if a decision on whether to back projects at Heathrow or Gatwick was taken by October.

In 2009 it was reported that Grayling, who is MP for Epsom and Ewell, Surrey, had privately voiced concerns over the Conservative party’s then opposition to Heathrow expansion.

May’s constituency, Maidenhead, is near the Heathrow flight path and she has previously raised the issue of noise and the environmental impact of a third runway at the airport.

The Airports Commission published its final report in July last year stating that a new runway was needed by 2030 and recommending that Heathrow’s plan go ahead.

Grayling said: “I am very clear that I want to move rapidly with a decision on what happens on airport capacity. It is a decision that will be taken collectively by the government.

“We have a quasi-judicial role so I’m not going to say today whether I prefer Gatwick or Heathrow … I’m going to look at this very carefully in the coming weeks.”

He added: “What I’ll be saying to the business community today is I think we need to take a rapid decision to provide certainty on what’s going to happen and that will be my objective.”

Overall good news.
 

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She was responsible for overseeing the award of the West Coast franchise to First Group before instead giving a direct award to Virgin, after which she was demoted.

--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

Claire Perry's replacement has been confirmed as Blackpool and Cleveley's MP Paul Maynard who has a disability* and grew up in Cheshire, being educated at St Ambrose College.

* So possibly won't be as keen to grant any exemption orders relating to the 2019 accessibility deadline as other MPs.

I have seen him a few times on Sunday Politics North West. I could digress and ask whether anyone knows who will be his successor on that programme?

Back to transport, and I wonder whether as Transport Minister Paul will help the spur of the Blackpool Tram to Blackpool North station to proceed?
 

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Claire Perry's replacement has been confirmed as Blackpool and Cleveley's MP Paul Maynard who has a disability* and grew up in Cheshire, being educated at St Ambrose College.

Paul Maynard was in the same class as my son all the time they attended St Ambrose College in Hale Barns and was a brilliant scholar there. Brother Colman was the Head of School at that time.
 

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Never mind HS2, here is much more important news ;)

southendnewsnetwork.com/news/theresa-may-announces-plans-to-extend-crossrail-from-shenfield-to-southminster/

Thousands of commuters have been celebrating the shock news this evening that the high-speed Crossrail rail link will be extended from Shenfield to Southminster.
Under the extension plans that will come into operation by 2024, the line from Wickford to Southminster will be made double-track for the entire distance – it is estimated that the line will be able to handle up to 16 trains per hour.
Prime Minister Theresa May made the announcement tonight at the Dengie 2024 Development Summit, a one-off event for politicians and business leaders to discuss the future of the Central Essex Peninsular.
Mrs May said: ‘Extending Crossrail to Southminster will require an extra £15bn of funding as a further 25 new superfast trains will be needed. These additional costs will be met directly by the savings that the United Kingdom will make from our EU withdrawal within the next few years.’
‘The people of South Woodham Ferrers, Burnham-On-Crouch and North Fambridge have been burdened with a 19th Century rail service for too long, and it’s time to revolutionise public transport provision to the Dengie.’
‘My new-look Department for Transport had the choice between redeveloping the Southminster branch and the Southend Victoria branch, and our final decision made perfect sense.’
‘The Southend Victoria branch already has rolling stock and infrastructure that are more than adequate for the next 30-40 years, but the long-suffering commuters on the Southminster branch have been waiting long enough.’
‘From 2024, passengers from Southminster, Burnham-on-Crouch, Althorne, North Fambridge, South Woodham Ferrers, Battlesbridge, Wickford and Billericay will have a high-speed direct link to The City, The West End and Heathrow Airport.’
‘We are currently initiating a feasibility study relating to existing rail traffic and the additional activity that extending Crossrail will generate.’
‘Although our ultimate goal is to keep direct services between Southend and Liverpool Street, all possible options are currently on the table for consideration.’
 

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Never mind HS2, here is much more important news ;)
Is this a windup, or has somebody missed out a decimal point? The whole of Crossrail is costing what £17B and a 25 mile, above ground extension is costing £15B?
 

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Is this a windup, or has somebody missed out a decimal point? The whole of Crossrail is costing what £17B and a 25 mile, above ground extension is costing £15B?
Southendnewsnetwork.com is famously a satirical/joke/fake news website.
 

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Owen Smith has now said he will re-nationalise the railways if he is elected so it looks like Labour will make re-nationalisation a policy of the next election.

Don't fool though for the garbage that Labour call for as when the Virgin Trains fiasco in 2012 Labour called for the government to re-nationalise the railways but at the 2015 election they didn't make it a policy. Also Labour said in the 90s that if they were ever elected they would re-nationalise the railways but after 13 years they didn't.

It would be nice though if the Labour Party didn't use the railways as a bargaining chip and had a decent railway policy rather than some populist thing that they won't ever do.
 

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If you have this as a slogan...
b4c60c0c2f4181adf635107ec6ab7946.jpg

... you're probably going to hear lies.
 

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Good news for the NW projects as well.

If he's a replacement for Claire Perry he won't be responsible for future projects.
It's very likely he will oversee current franchises and the award of new ones.
Projects, and policy (HS2/3 etc), will probably go to someone else.

Ministers very rarely get to divert money to their constituencies/areas.
That's called corruption.
But at least it's a knowledgeable voice for the northwest (but not for, say, Southern, where the current trouble is).
 

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If you have this as a slogan...
b4c60c0c2f4181adf635107ec6ab7946.jpg

... you're probably going to hear lies.

Only "probably" ? And there I was believing every word of it (NOT) ;) :roll:

On a less flippant note, good to see the new transport secretary has grasped the capacity argument for HS2. Just needs to announce the East Anglia franchise winner now to put us all down here out of our misery. Unless it appears in the Southend News Network first.
 

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Is this a windup, or has somebody missed out a decimal point? The whole of Crossrail is costing what £17B and a 25 mile, above ground extension is costing £15B?

Of course it's a wind up:
"These additional costs will be met directly by the savings that the United Kingdom will make from our EU withdrawal within the next few years.’"

Hilarious. I haven't laughed as much since I watched Little Britain.
 

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Thatcher managed 11 years on her own. Major did a further seven.

Yes, that was a typo. 11 SoS for Transport (Minister of State from May '79 - Jan '81) in 18 years under Thatcher/Major.
 
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