Paddington derailment 16/06/16

[2000]

Just seen that something has derailed outside paddington - fire/rescue in attendance, nothing leaving the station, obvious massive disruption.

Picture (blurry!) https://twitter.com/andrew6ger/status/743496462902956036

 

[FGW_DID]

3H52 Reading TCD - Paddington (ECS move)

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[LNW-GW Joint]

Just seen that something has derailed outside paddington - fire/rescue in attendance, nothing leaving the station, obvious massive disruption.

It's a "problem under investigation" according to NRE: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/today.aspx

A problem is currently under investigation at London Paddington, causing disruption to trains to and from this station. Trains are expected to be delayed or revised

PS
If it hasn't been used before, it looks like the new bay at West Ealing (P5) is getting used because of the disruption, according to RTT.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C42225/2016/06/16/advanced

 

[sciisfun]

GWR website
Due to a derailed train between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 22:15 16/06.
Customer Advice:
An empty train has derailed in a siding outside London Paddington station. This has resulted in damage to infrastructure which means that we are unable to operate the full train service between Slough and London Paddington until further notice.

GWR say its in a siding, this looks like its over around P1-4 what siding is over there?

 

[fgwrich]

Announcements at Reading seem to be a mix of "Due to a derailed Train" and "A Problem under Imvestigation". Either way nothing's leaving heading Eastwards into Paddington at the moment.

 

[causton]

GWR say its in a siding, this looks like its over around P1-4 what siding is over there?

Screenshot from OpenTrainTimes. The points were not set correctly, by the look of things, and the reports say that some of the overhead line has come down! Not good at all...

 

[swt_passenger]

The line from the very end of P1 extends through a set of points into a 'link line' to two sidings, they sit on the south side of running line 1 for about ¼ mile.

(Composed while causton found the above drawing. Grrrr...)

 

[2000]

Some more pictures here:

https://twitter.com/LondonFire/status/743510287270162432
https://twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/status/743510824371748864

https://twitter.com/vassilis_keys/status/743509819689172992

The last one you can see the gantry that's come down. :/

 

[sciisfun]

The last one you can see the gantry that's come down. :/

Nothing moving around Paddington for a while then!

 

[Carntyne]

Ooft. Picture with the gantry looks quite bad there. Glad it was ECS and hope crew OK.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Would that unit probably have been used for the Greenford branch? What's the speed limit where it derailed? Presumably it's given the gantry support a fair whack for the gantry to have come down

 

[louis97]

Would that unit probably have been used for the Greenford branch? What's the speed limit where it derailed? Presumably it's given the gantry support a fair whack for the gantry to have come down

Was going to form part of a train to Henley-on-Thames. 25mph. Its derailed on the catch points coming off the Link Line.

 

[theageofthetra]

Thoughts with crew. That could have been a lot worse. Any evidence this is a points failure?

 

[rapidtraction]

Network Rail on Twitter saying the train passed a red signal.

https://twitter.com/networkrailPR/status/743514804606894082

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Any evidence this is a points failure?

Doubtful, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36555082

Network Rail said an empty train travelled past a red signal outside the west London station, which activated an automatic derailment.

Will the RAIB likely investigate this derailment?

Would the sidings be equipped with AWS/TPWS/ATP?

 

[londonboi]

Can we keep the speculation to a minimum please etc points not set etc as seen on a website this is under investigation so let the real investigators do there job

 

[theageofthetra]

Fair point. Lock thread?

 

[swt_passenger]

Can we keep the speculation to a minimum please etc points not set etc as seen on a website this is under investigation so let the real investigators do there job

Quoting the BBC who in turn are quoting Network Rail is pretty low on the speculation scale, surely?

 

[londonboi]

Quoting the BBC who in turn are quoting Network Rail is pretty low on the speculation scale, surely?

No it's just not nice I feel to speculate that's all after all we know how the press can get things wrong sometimes that's all didn't mean to start a argument

 

[74A]

HST derailed on the same catch points about 12 years ago IIRC

 

[Steveman]

HST derailed on the same catch points about 12 years ago IIRC

Yes correct.

 

[swt_passenger]

No it's just not nice I feel to speculate that's all after all we know how the press can get things wrong sometimes that's all didn't mean to start a argument

I think the mods are usually quick to discourage rampant speculation, but it's a public forum - people can and will post their questions.

 

[bnm]

Is there anything so wrong in informed speculation? Network Rail have already told us there was a SPAD.

Really only three possibilities. Driver error, signaller error, infrastructure fault.

 

[craigy68]

1Y73 being evacuated nr Ladbroke Grove

 

[MarkyT]

Would the sidings be equipped with AWS/TPWS/ATP?

Unlikely. Turbos only work with TPWS/AWS, and AWS is irrelevent in this case. Signals controlling exit from sidings with trap protection are not considered to represent a high risk of collision so would not get a TPWS trainstop normally. The traps did their job and derailed the SPAD train away from running lines, but unfortunately the electrification structure was in it's path after it left the rails and that damage was probably mostly to blame for the subsequent disruption.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Is this the little bit thats left of the old "engine only" line that formed an up-and-over for locos to access old oak common without blocking the station throat. Also wasnt there some sort of goods/parcels platform along this stretch?

 

[PHILIPE]

Facebook and another Forum say Cat A SPAD at SN6004. If the info is available elsewhere in the public domain, are we speculating ?

 

[londonboi]

I think the mods are usually quick to discourage rampant speculation, but it's a public forum - people can and will post their questions.

There installing questions then there is gossiping and spreading rumours. At end ofndaybthisnis why we have the hmri/raib to do there investigation it's what there paid for the armchair investigators are quick to come out with ASSUMPTIONS and this is how rumours start. Let the real investigators do there job. How would you like it if you made a big error init place of work that affected others and people starting making speculations about what you done to be totally different to what actually happened as they were not there to see what you done. Works both ways end of the day we were not there so can't say what happened or why that's down to te investigators and the driver and staff involved to discuss not on a public forum

 

[LeylandLen]

I dont know Paddington at all, but I assume they will have to remove overhead lines to get a crane in to lift and rerail the train ??

 

[londonboi]

Sorry excuse my spelling ask on mobile phone at present. It should read there is asking questions and then there is gossiping st end of the day this is why