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Should We Leave the EU?

Do you believe the UK should stay in or leave the EU?

  • Stay in the EU

    Votes: 229 61.4%
  • Leave the EU

    Votes: 120 32.2%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 24 6.4%

  • Total voters
    373
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Muttley

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Except you haven't answered it. You've just deflected it again and again and again.

What is your answer to the Northern Irish problem if we leave the EU? Saying "it's not up to me" is just avoiding responsibility, when we all know you are voting Brexit.

But yes, you keep assuring yourself you're clever, when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about :)

Ah, with your clever questioning (asking the same question and persistently ignoring the answer given) you've forced the answer out of me.

I can confirm that it is govt policy, that in the event of a Leave vote, on the morning of the 24th, me, Steveman and Antman have been tasked to cross the water. There, we will set up watchtowers with searchlights and Gimpys and a Dulux colour chart (you know, because it's all about race).
 
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I can confirm that it is govt policy, that in the event of a Leave vote, on the morning of the 24th, me, Steveman and Antman have been tasked to cross the water. There, we will set up watchtowers with searchlights and Gimpys and a Dulux colour chart (you know, because it's all about race).

How do you intend to outrun the Geldof blockade ships?
 

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What I want to know is...with a clear mandate from two-thirds of the poll, will RailUK forums declare independence from Britain in the event of a Brexit vote?
 

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What I want to know is...with a clear mandate from two-thirds of the poll, will RailUK forums declare independence from Britain in the event of a Brexit vote?

We will declare war on sealand and after a short battle will claim it for RailUK and seek to immediately join the EU. And with the grants that we shall receive create our own short railway which we will tender out (in line with EU regs) GoVia will be banned from winning and stagecoach will be the preferential candidate, all services will have guards despite the short distance and will be run with a mixture of shortened pacers and 442's.

We have already set-up a vote monitoring system and all who vote out will be immediately banned
 
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With the MP's tragic death there are calls for the referendum to be postponed. Probably too fare in it, and a logistic nightmare, but should it?
 

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What I want to know is...with a clear mandate from two-thirds of the poll, will RailUK forums declare independence from Britain in the event of a Brexit vote?

I hereby offer my services as the RailUK Minister for Verbosity and claim a clear mandate as many postings have stated that I have the same skills as an MP in evading direct questions put to me on threads...:D
 

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With the MP's tragic death there are calls for the referendum to be postponed. Probably too fare in it, and a logistic nightmare, but should it?

It would be appropriate for campaigning on both sides to be halted for the time being, whether postponing the referendum itself really serves any purpose I'm not sure.
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No. However, it is clear we have a new form of terrorism developing :(

I'm not sure that we have, incidents of this nature are extremely rare although one is obviously one too many.
 

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...all services will have guards despite the short distance and will be run with a mixture of shortened pacers and 442's.

We have already set-up a vote monitoring system and all who vote out will be immediately banned
Would they fit on Sealand? It's a bit small... :)
 

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On what basis?

According to the Daily Mail - current headline -
BREAKING NEWS: Labour MP Jo Cox DIES after being shot three times in the street near her office by attacker 'who shouted Britain First then kicked her while she lay bleeding'
it could be referendum-related. That's the Daily Mail though. personally I think it should go ahead, but I could well understand if it was put back.
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BBC's Question Time cancelled tonight, according to one of the combatants, Louise Mench (sp?).
 

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I've never quite been sure why we cancel things out of respect. Personally, I would consider it more respectful if life carried on and the nutter did not receive the kind of publicity he no doubt wanted.

OTOH, I think most people would be glad of a day off campaigning, as I don't think either campaign has actually brought anything beneficial to anyone, just lies, politicking and misinformation.
 
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On another note, I read this in the guardian today: https://www.theguardian.com/busines...economy-will-be-hit-hard-if-britain-leaves-eu

The Bank of England has issued a fresh warning that a vote to leave the EU in next week’s referendum risks knocking economic growth, pushing the pound sharply lower and sending shockwaves through the global economy.

Against the backdrop of jittery financial markets, the Bank also revealed its top policymakers had been briefed by staff on contingency planning for the referendum as it readies measures to prevent markets seizing up in the event of a leave vote next week.

Announcing its decision to keep interest rates at their record low of 0.5%, the Bank said the referendum on 23 June was the biggest immediate risk to UK financial markets, and perhaps those overseas, and that the current uncertainty was already denting spending. The pound has weakened in the run-up to the vote as opinion polls have pointed to a lead for the leave vote and the Bank warned in minutes to its latest rate-setting meeting that it would fall further in the event of Brexit.

“The outcome of the referendum continued to be the largest immediate risk facing UK financial markets, and possibly global financial markets,” said the minutes. In addition: “On the evidence of the recent behaviour of the foreign exchange market, it appears increasingly likely that, were the UK to vote to leave the EU, sterling’s exchange rate would fall further, perhaps sharply.”

The minutes also noted recent comments on potential Brexit risks to global financial markets made by the US central bank as it left interest rates there on hold this week. The record of the Bank’s final rate-setting meeting before the referendum showed all nine members of the monetary policy committee (MPC) voted unanimously to keep interest rates at 0.5%. That was as expected by financial markets and economists, given the impending vote.

The minutes said the MPC had been briefed on contingency planning for the referendum, including on the “more intensive supervision by the Prudential Regulation Authority of major financial institutions to ensure they had sufficient liquidity”.

The Bank said in the minutes that it was “well placed to address liquidity needs and support the functioning of financial markets”. In the minutes, policymakers noted a pick-up in uncertainty ahead of the vote, which could knock economic growth.

“The main focus of the committee’s policy discussion this month concerned the difficulty in identifying the underlying momentum in the domestic economy, amidst the influence on activity of uncertainty related to the EU referendum,” the minutes said.

“Measures of uncertainty had increased further over the past month, with the UK a clear outlier internationally. And there had been growing evidence that uncertainty about the outcome of the referendum was leading to delays to major economic decisions that were costly or difficult to reverse.”

There had been a “sharp decline” in the value of commercial real estate transactions and in merger and acquisition (M&A) activity and reports of delayed business investment, the Bank said, echoing some private sector reports of spending decisions being deferred. The Bank also noted some possible influence on consumer spending.

“Regarding households, both car purchases and residential housing activity had declined, although it was difficult to isolate the extent to which these effects related to the referendum or a more general underlying slowing,” the minutes said. But the Bank added retail sales had been stronger than expected in April and that confidence indicators, as a whole, “remained healthy”.

Interest rates have been on hold at a record low of 0.5% for more than seven years. Expectations of when rates might start to rise back to more normal levels have been shifted back amid signs the economy may have slowed recently. Some policymakers and economists have even discussed the prospect of interest rates being cut further. In the near-term much will depend on the referendum and market reaction to the outcome.


Cameron criticises former Tory leaders who question Bank over EU
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Last month, Bank governor Mark Carney warned that Brexit could tip the UK into recession. He also said a vote to leave the EU could knock the pound sharply lower, stoke inflation and raise unemployment, leaving the Bank with a difficult balancing act as it decides whether to cut, hold or raise interest rates to counter opposing forces.

The minutes on Thursday repeated the Bank’s prediction that in the event of Brexit it would face a likely tradeoff between stabilising inflation on the one hand and output and employment on the other. Carney has been criticised by leave campaigners for what they see as inappropriately political comments from the independent central bank.

Earlier on Thursday, Nigel Lawson, Norman Lamont, Michael Howard and Iain Duncan Smith wrote a Telegraph article accusing the Treasury and the Bank of England of a “woeful failure” to offer a fair analysis of what might happen in the event of Brexit. But David Cameron defended the Bank, saying the leave campaign’s criticism of the independent Bank was “deeply concerning”.

“We should listen to experts when they warn us of the dangers to our economy of leaving the European Union,” the prime minister added. Separately, it emerged that Bernard Jenkin MP, a director of the Vote Leave campaign, had written to Carney warning him not to breach the pre-referendum “purdah” rules by talking about the referendum.

But Carney hit back, telling Jenkin that the Bank had simply been following its statutory duty to the UK people, according to the BBC, which saw the letters.
 

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I've never quite been sure why we cancel things out of respect. Personally, I would consider it more respectful if life carried on and the nutter did not receive the kind of publicity he no doubt wanted.

OTOH, I think most people would be glad of a day off campaigning, as I don't think either campaign has actually brought anything beneficial to anyone, just lies, politicking and misinformation.

Probably isn't the time and place, but with respect to Jo and her family, and the electorate in general, it might tone down both sides for the remainder of the campaign. It does bring things into perspective.
 

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I've never quite been sure why we cancel things out of respect. Personally, I would consider it more respectful if life carried on and the nutter did not receive the kind of publicity he no doubt wanted.

OTOH, I think most people would be glad of a day off campaigning, as I don't think either campaign has actually brought anything beneficial to anyone, just lies, politicking and misinformation.

In this case, I don't think it (Question Time) was cancelled out of respect, more that most of the people involved (panel and audience) wouldn't have the stomach for it, and what might seem like momentous concerns in normal times suddenly seem parochial and petty. I think quiet reflection on what happened today will do no-one any harm, and possibly some good might even come out of it if some of the toxicity could be put back into the bottle: sadly, I doubt the latter is going to happen any time soon.
 

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Your list of posters who have no idea what they're talking about must be getting to quite enormous proportions by now as hardly a day goes by when you don't mention it.

It contains three of you - don't think it's getting too crowded in there.
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Ah, with your clever questioning (asking the same question and persistently ignoring the answer given) you've forced the answer out of me.

I can confirm that it is govt policy, that in the event of a Leave vote, on the morning of the 24th, me, Steveman and Antman have been tasked to cross the water. There, we will set up watchtowers with searchlights and Gimpys and a Dulux colour chart (you know, because it's all about race).

So, to put things in short, you have no answer and haven't actually considered how the government would actually solve the problem.

Good to see we have great minds behind the decision-making in this country. :roll:
 

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I think quiet reflection on what happened today will do no-one any harm, and possibly some good might even come out of it if some of the toxicity could be put back into the bottle: sadly, I doubt the latter is going to happen any time soon.

Well, we are in the final week now of an extremely long campaign, so surely nothing now needs saying that has not already been said.

Heaven forbid if such a time period was ever to be the norm leading up to a General Election.
 

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Didn't take long for the EU to try and make political capital out of the Jo Cox murder.

This tweet is from the EU Commissioner for Migration, Citizenship and Home Affairs :

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Merkel has also said - "Everyone should show political unity" within hours of the shooting although she didn't have any evidence whatsoever that politics are an issue in this murder.

I thought it more appropriate to post it on this thread.
 
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Didn't take long for the EU to try and make political capital out of the Jo Cox murder.

This tweet is from the EU Commissioner for Migration, Citizenship and Home Affairs :

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Merkel has also said - "Everyone should show political unity" within hours of the shooting although she didn't have any evidence whatsoever that politics are an issue in this murder.

I thought it more appropriate to post it on this thread.

Why is it an attempt to make political capital? Jo Cox previously worked in the European Parliament so was presumably known to many politicians within the EU. She was not a Conservative, yet David Cameron spoke movingly about her and the work she had done. Why should other European politicians not be free to do the same? What is wrong with the comment "Everyone should show political unity"? Surely everyone needs to stand together against the sort of hatred that led to her death.
 

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Why is it an attempt to make political capital? Jo Cox previously worked in the European Parliament so was presumably known to many politicians within the EU. She was not a Conservative, yet David Cameron spoke movingly about her and the work she had done. Why should other European politicians not be free to do the same? What is wrong with the comment "Everyone should show political unity"? Surely everyone needs to stand together against the sort of hatred that led to her death.

You know full well what that statement was all about, simply a disguised attempt to tell voters which way to vote.

Incidentally political unity doesn't bring democracy, just the opposite.
 
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You know full well what that statement was all about, simply a disguised attempt to tell voters which way to vote.

Incidentally political unity doesn't bring democracy, just the opposite.

So is Nigel Farage guilty as well? He posted a very similar comment. In this context political unity means standing up for democracy and being against the sort of blind hatred we saw yesterday. It's not about everyone having exactly the same opinion.

The EU commissioner in question knew Jo Cox well, are you saying he has no right to say something about her murder? You are reading too much into his comment.
 

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So, to put things in short, you have no answer and haven't actually considered how the government would actually solve the problem.

Good to see we have great minds behind the decision-making in this country. :roll:

You won't have it will you ?
I'm not in the government, have no plans to be in the government, and can forsee no reason why a member of a rail forum would be invited into the Leave negotiations.

That's seven times you've asked my personal opinion, seven times I've given it. Don't make it eight, go down a different route to embarrass yourself, if only for the sake of our audience.
 

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You won't have it will you ?
I'm not in the government, have no plans to be in the government, and can forsee no reason why a member of a rail forum would be invited into the Leave negotiations.

That's seven times you've asked my personal opinion, seven times I've given it. Don't make it eight, go down a different route to embarrass yourself, if only for the sake of our audience.

So why are you so keen on leaving if you clearly haven't even thought about the issues such as those that I'm raising?

This entire thread has been dedicated to discussing leaving the EU, and the majority of that revolves around the reasons for doing so. You, on the other hand, when you encounter a question you don't have an actual answer for, hide behind the fact that you're just a voter and have no real influence on policy, despite the fact that you know full-well that that is neither relevant nor interesting as an answer given the context of this thread.

Given the quality of what you like to spout, I wouldn't be surprised if you were a politician frankly. Saying you've answered the question repeatedly - when you know full-well what kind of answer is actually being sought - just makes you look like you're intentionally misinterpreting me because you haven't got a clue.
 
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You won't have it will you ?
I'm not in the government, have no plans to be in the government, and can forsee no reason why a member of a rail forum would be invited into the Leave negotiations.

That's seven times you've asked my personal opinion, seven times I've given it. Don't make it eight, go down a different route to embarrass yourself, if only for the sake of our audience.

He still won't give up:D
 

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You may well think i`m a politician, and that would explain why you think i`m i/c negotiations, but you`re not Paxman, so stop asking the same question.

I`ll try another way for you.
On test day, the 23rd, i`m expecting to go into the exam room (we call it a voting booth, but anything to try and help you understand), and when the invigilator says we can turn over our exam paper (we call it a ballot paper, but see above), i`m expecting a question on whether to stay in the EU or not. IF it turns out to be a question on Ireland, well, i`ll only have myself to blame.
 

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You may well think i`m a politician, and that would explain why you think i`m i/c negotiations, but you`re not Paxman, so stop asking the same question.

I`ll try another way for you.
On test day, the 23rd, i`m expecting to go into the exam room (we call it a voting booth, but anything to try and help you understand), and when the invigilator says we can turn over our exam paper (we call it a ballot paper, but see above), i`m expecting a question on whether to stay in the EU or not. IF it turns out to be a question on Ireland, well, i`ll only have myself to blame.

I don't think you're a politician. I'm asking you why you're voting Brexit when you haven't got a good solution to the problem in Northern Ireland. Why don't you just say your solution?
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He still won't give up:D

I won't give up because it's interesting to see how unwilling you Brexit fanatics are to answer real, solid questions on the EU when pushed.
 

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I won't give up because it's interesting to see how unwilling you Brexit fanatics are to answer real, solid questions on the EU when pushed.

I don't see why "Let our elected officials sort it out" isn't an answer.

Do you personally have the solution to the minutiae of every single political, economic, social and environmental problem that could possibly occur in mind before voting in a general election?

It's all a non-issue anyway. Johnny Foreigner could come to Ireland in their hundreds of thousands, and as it stands they could all forge some ID and travel to mainland Britain, they still wouldn't have the legal right to work, claim benefits etc in this country.
 

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I don't think you're a politician. I'm asking you why you're voting Brexit when you haven't got a good solution to the problem in Northern Ireland. Why don't you just say your solution?
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I won't give up because it's interesting to see how unwilling you Brexit fanatics are to answer real, solid questions on the EU when pushed.

It's exactly the same question I will be putting to my (Brexiting) MP on Monday, in front of a hall of voters.

It's a simple, basic question which shows, unless there's an answer all of us thick Remainers are too stupid to have though of, that their immigration policy is flawed to the core.

The only answers I have found -

1. The border remains as it is. Therefore anyone with an EU passport can get the bus through the border unchallenged, and be in the UK. In the UK "illegally", but IN the UK. So it will be all but impossible gor the UK to "control" immigration. They will be here, but not officially counted.

2. The border ramains as it is, but there are stronger checks on flights - and in particular - ferries between the North and Great Britain.
**This means compulsory photo ID for our citizens wishing to travel from one part of our country to another. If the EU demanded we had compulsory ID cards to travel within our own country, Brexiters would go through the roof, but it's THEIR suggestion.
That, of course, doesn't solve the problem of Northern Ireland being swamped with illegal EU migrants.

3. There is a partial, or whole, policing of the main roads between ROI and NI. This would require both Irish and UK citizens to carry photo ID (see (2) )
and does not prevent travel through the minor roads, or simply crossing a field to gain unmolested entry to the UK.

4. A construction of a completely solid border with limited checkpoints. This, of course, would be extremely expensive to build, maintain, and guarded.

3 + 4 would need the consent of Sinn Fein, The 31st Dail, and most parties in Northern Ireland, and the IRA may have a slight concern too. We would require a negotiating team, I'm sure there would be plenty of UK MP's putting their name forward.

5. It has been suggested that in order to facilitate the United Kingdom border security, that the ROI leave the EU themselves and their external border can become the external border of the UK also. Clearly THE most likely solution...:rolleyes:

Now, am I missing one?
 
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