HST Power Car into retro livery

[superalbs]

Appears to be on 1733 Paddington-Paignton

GWR twitter say 1706 Paddington to Bristol TM.

 

[CC 72100]

GWR twitter say 1706 Paddington to Bristol TM.

I believe this was the working. This is the one that goes via the B&H, then Trowbridge, Bradford OA, Bath and on to Bristol. Advertised as Bradford OA on the boards.

(Just in case anybody was hoping to see it between Bathampton Jcn and Reading and wondered where it got to!)

 

[Tw99]

It just went past here on 1p19 Hereford to Paddington

 

[superalbs]

It's doing these today.

0528 HFD-PAD
0851 PAD-OXF
1101 OXF-PAD
12.30 PAD-BRI
1500 BRI-PAD
1706 PAD-BRI.

 

[jimm]

43002 in action near Radley yesterday

http://hondawanderer.com/43002_Radley_2016.htm

 

[alexl92]

Surely someone will take the opportunity to put 43002 on the back of 41001's train? Might not get the chance to have the two retro liveries for a while..

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Surely someone will take the opportunity to put 43002 on the back of 41001's train? Might not get the chance to have the two retro liveries for a while..

But 41001 is not, and will not be, in general service. this could only happen at a preserved line - and 43002 would have to be dead as it's not electrically compatible with 41001 and the three trailers ( they're loco hauled versions, not HST versions ) which would mean it would have to be dragged whenever 43002 was at the front.

 

[Hairy Bear]

But 41001 is not, and will not be, in general service. this could only happen at a preserved line - and 43002 would have to be dead as it's not electrically compatible with 41001 and the three trailers ( they're loco hauled versions, not HST versions ) which would mean it would have to be dragged whenever 43002 was at the front.

There's no reason why they won't multiple up together . 41001 supplies train supply , 43002 looks after itself. Bring it on.

 

[irish_rail]

002 on Hereford and Oxford trips again today, wonder when it will ever attatch itself to a low density set and make its way down to these parts in the far west

 

[47513 Severn]

But 41001 is not, and will not be, in general service. this could only happen at a preserved line - and 43002 would have to be dead as it's not electrically compatible with 41001 and the three trailers ( they're loco hauled versions, not HST versions ) which would mean it would have to be dragged whenever 43002 was at the front.

Why would dragging be required? They wouldn't be able to communicate through the LHCS Mark 3 trailers but all that would mean is only the leading power car would be powering the train in each direction. Not a big deal at preserved line speeds.

This is exactly how 41001 has been running on preserved lines, albeit with a normal locomotive at the other end.

 

[sprinterguy]

Why would dragging be required? They wouldn't be able to communicate through the LHCS Mark 3 trailers but all that would mean is only the leading power car would be powering the train in each direction. Not a big deal at preserved line speeds.

What's the problem with normal HST push-pull working with loco-hauled mark 3s? Aren't control signals sent via the lighting looms in either case anyway? HST power cars have worked in tandem no problem sandwiching a conventional mark 3 and loco-hauled test cars, or even a mark 4 carriage, in the early days of ride testing the SIG bogies used on the mark 4s..

On a separate note, what was the method of working when 41001 was attached to one end of an EMT mark 3 rake on the Great Central (North) in late 2014? Leading power car only providing traction based on direction of travel, or could both be controlled in tandem?

 

[Hairy Bear]

What's the problem with normal HST push-pull working with loco-hauled mark 3s? Aren't control signals sent via the lighting looms in either case anyway? HST power cars have worked in tandem no problem sandwiching a conventional mark 3 and loco-hauled test cars, or even a mark 4 carriage, in the early days of ride testing the SIG bogies used on the mark 4s..

What was the method of working when 41001 was attached to one end of an EMT mark 3 rake on the Great Central (North) in late 2014? Leading power car only providing traction based on direction of travel, or could both be controlled in tandem?

HST'S cannot work in push/pull with LHCS mk3's as the coaches do not have the required 36 way jumper cable. The lighting cable method of control your referring to was used by the 47's on the edin/Glasgow dbso and the early days of west coast dvt working.
But there's nothing stopping you topping and tailing the prototype with any other power car on the LHCS mk3's but the back end power car would be dragged each way.

When the prototype was used at Ruddington with the EMT set it multiple up with 048 and the rake fine .

 

[sprinterguy]

HST'S cannot work in push/pull with LHCS mk3's as the coaches do not have the required 36 way jumper cable. The lighting cable method of control your referring to was used by the 47's on the edin/Glasgow dbso and the early days of west coast dvt working.

Ah okay, thanks for the clarification. I wonder what the workaround was for the ECML tests then.

 

[47513 Severn]

The excellent "Train Testing" site has some interesting pictures, see:
http://www.traintesting.com/ic225_6.htm

Looking at those it would seem the power cars sandwiched the shorter test trains, perhaps with temporary multi cables run through the inside of the carriages, and worked as back to back pairs with the full Mark 4 rakes.

 

[The47Wanderer]

002 on Hereford and Oxford trips again today, wonder when it will ever attatch itself to a low density set and make its way down to these parts in the far west

Ever so slightly off topic, but, (assuming) the fact it's attached to a HD coaching set, where do these sets work? I always thought it was "Pot Luck" to which coaching stock a location received on the day and at the time...

 

[43096]

When the prototype was used at Ruddington with the EMT set it multiple up with 048 and the rake fine .

To be pedantic it was 43054 at Ruddington. It was tested with 43048 during/after the Etches Park Open Day.

 

[XCTurbostar]

I wonder how long it will be before 43002 ends up with 43003

Thanks,
Ross

 

[trainmania100]

Anyone know if it will be out oon Sunday or is it just one of those allox on the day things

 

[JN114]

Anyone know if it will be out oon Sunday or is it just one of those allox on the day things

Allocations (at least at GWR) are always finalised overnight, any time between 0200 and 0500 depending who is on the relevant fleet desk.

My understanding is OC50 (set 43002 is now part of) is due an A exam either over the weekend or early part of next week, which will see it out of commission for a day.

 

[VP185]

Still waiting to see what livery 43040 will be outshopped in. Currently still inside Laira this morning with the bodywork all rubbed down. This was the powercar we believed would be attending the SPM open day in another heritage livery but never materialised as the power car required additional work

 

[Harbornite]

I assume we will have to wait until HST's are withdrawn before a whole set is repainted? Virgin Crosscountry didn't get round to repainting their mark 2's into old liveries so I assume that will be the case again.

 

[heart-of-wessex]

Anyone know if it will be out oon Sunday or is it just one of those allox on the day things

Sunday 8th May:

1B25 1037 Padd - Swansea
1L74 1521 Swansea - Padd
1C28 1927 Padd - Bristol TM

 

[irish_rail]

Ever so slightly off topic, but, (assuming) the fact it's attached to a HD coaching set, where do these sets work? I always thought it was "Pot Luck" to which coaching stock a location received on the day and at the time...

The HD sets tend to to do oxford, Cardiff, Bristol, Worcester, the LD sets mainly Swansea, Plymouth, penzance, but there are exceptions, for example HD set with 002 on made it to Penzance yesterday.

 

[BenBru]

I have a 7 year old son fascinated by the 125. He and I are in London on Sat 11 June and I wonder if there is any chance at all we'd see 253 002 in her original livery at Paddington. Does anyone know whether her allocation is a regular thing?

Thanks

 

[Peter Mugridge]

43002 ( which is one half of the original 253 001 ) is used on any GWR HST diagram; I'd advise checking on here the day before to see where she ends up on the 10th and early on the 11th to see if the day's workings have been posted.

 

[rebmcr]

43002 ( which is one half of the original 253 001 ) is used on any GWR HST diagram; I'd advise checking on here the day before to see where she ends up on the 10th and early on the 11th to see if the day's workings have been posted.

Are there any diagrams that don't visit Paddington?

 

[The47Wanderer]

The HD sets tend to to do oxford, Cardiff, Bristol, Worcester, the LD sets mainly Swansea, Plymouth, penzance, but there are exceptions, for example HD set with 002 on made it to Penzance yesterday.

Ah, awesome! Thanks for the clarification!

 

[BenBru]

43002 ( which is one half of the original 253 001 ) is used on any GWR HST diagram; I'd advise checking on here the day before to see where she ends up on the 10th and early on the 11th to see if the day's workings have been posted.

Thanks for the advice, Peter, I'll do that!

Ben

 

[JN114]

Are there any diagrams that don't visit Paddington?

On weekends, yes.

 

[Tw99]

The retro power car was on the country end today which was a surprise when I went out to take a picture of it. I'm sure it was on the London end when I saw it previously, but I could be mistaken on that.