Scotrail Turbostars moving to Southern

[trainmania100]

I suspect the 73 is moving, potentially with the wrong train reporting number. 5Z99 was used last time it went down for a bit of TLC, until it was noticed it had no coaches attached.

It is certainly the scotrail 170 as this has been confirmed by a friends boss

 

[fgwrich]

It is certainly the scotrail 170 as this has been confirmed by a friends boss

I would be puzzled by the move if it's going down there for painting - I hope they've actually found a spray booth this time then as some of St Leonard's painting hasn't been the best (take a look at the quality difference in GBRf 73s). Wolverton at least seems to do a reasonable job on the painting side, even if I wouldn't let them touch the electrics!

 

[trainmania100]

I would be puzzled by the move if it's going down there for painting - I hope they've actually found a spray booth this time then as some of St Leonard's painting hasn't been the best (take a look at the quality difference in GBRf 73s). Wolverton at least seems to do a reasonable job on the painting side, even if I wouldn't let them touch the electrics!

I think it might just be a test run or something

 

[Chrisgr31]

I am confused now! If memory serves me right Govia got a number of the 170s but some have been hired back to Scotrail.

When are the rest of Govias ones coming south?

 

[170401]

I am confused now! If memory serves me right Govia got a number of the 170s but some have been hired back to Scotrail.

When are the rest of Govias ones coming south?

416-420 should go South late 2018.

 

[Southern Dvr]

It is certainly the scotrail 170 as this has been confirmed by a friends boss

I doubt it, to the best of my knowledge the Tartan Turbos are at Selhurst TRSMD & Wolverton. There's none at Stew Lane.

 

[Class377/5]

I doubt it, to the best of my knowledge the Tartan Turbos are at Selhurst TRSMD & Wolverton. There's none at Stew Lane.

There was a few 170 at Stew Lane a few months ago.

Of note 424 has gone to Wolverton.

 

[trainmania100]

Perhaps THIS will be a scotrail 171 if Tony is correct
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/X80023/2016/03/13/advanced
And the Wolvertontoday is cancelled if it is

 

[Mordac]

Perhaps THIS will be a scotrail 171 if Tony is correct
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/X80023/2016/03/13/advanced
And the Wolvertontoday is cancelled if it is

170, surely? Scotrail doesn't have any 171s.

 

[me123]

^ Read the whole thread. Scotrail many moons ago sent four 170s down to Southern, which are in the very long and arduous process of becoming 171s.

 

[trainmania100]

170, surely? Scotrail doesn't have any 171s.

That's what I meant silly ??????

 

[Mordac]

Mea culpa, I did read the thread, but only so far as it said that there was not much work done so far to actually turn them into 171s, so when I saw that post, I assumed that meant one freshly arrived from Scotrail.

 

[158722]

Mea culpa, I did read the thread, but only so far as it said that there was not much work done so far to actually turn them into 171s, so when I saw that post, I assumed that meant one freshly arrived from Scotrail.

Might be just a technicality, but I'd say that just now you are right - ScotRail 171s... By all reports, 170423/424 are now Dellner fitted, plus presumably all the wiring mods, etc, so they are essentially class 171s, despite them still being numbered as 170s. Presumably they are at Wolverton for cosmetic attention and repaint, so can we expect 171423/424 or whatever to emerge soon?

 

[trainmania100]

Okay ?????? hopefully ill see a scotrail 171 on 5Z80 aelhurst to east grinstead stopping at all stations along the way and 5Z81 return

 

[physics34]

Okay �� hopefully ill see a scotrail 171 on 5Z80 aelhurst to east grinstead stopping at all stations along the way and 5Z81 return

10 car.... southern livered 171s unfortunately.

 

[trainmania100]

10 car.... southern livered 171s unfortunately.

10 car not all that bad then

 

[route:oxford]

Looks like more 170s will be retained than expected:-

Transport Scotland Press Release

‘Rail revolution’ announced

15/03/2016 11:37

200 more services and 20,000 more seats for Scots passengers.

Transport Minister, wee Derek Mackay, today announced a “revolution in rail” in Scotland, which will deliver the largest programme of benefits to rail passengers seen in a generation.

ScotRail will introduce 200 new services, providing 20,000 more seats per day, with passengers across Tayside, Stirlingshire, Perthshire, Aberdeenshire and the Borders set to feel the benefits.

This represents a significant enhancement to ScotRail’s current timetable, which currently runs 2,300 services per day.

Timetable improvements are made possible by the decision by the Scottish Government to retain 13 additional Class 170 diesel trains (39 additional carriages) beyond the terms of their current leases, which were due to end on 2018. These extra trains create the capacity to make timetable service improvements – with input supplied by local stakeholders to find the best fit for local priorities.

More rolling stock will allow ScotRail to run more frequent services both for commuters and city to city passengers, whilst the increased flexibility offers significant time savings on popular routes.

From 2018 there will be more services confirmed for Tayside, Stirlingshire, Perthsire Aberdeenshire. There will also be increased peak capacity across Fife and the Borders, relieving some of the pressure on commuter services, along with more commuter options linking local towns between Glasgow and Edinburgh via Cumbernauld and Falkirk.

Transport Minister, wee Derek Mackay, said:

“We have initiated a revolution in rail services across Scotland. From 2018 passengers will benefit from more seats, more services and faster journey times as a direct result of the increased funding that we are putting into the rail network.

“The retention of these units will complement the arrival of our new High Speed Trains, which will allow for new and improved intercity connections. They will also make our rail network more resilient, creating opportunities to run faster services on key commuter routes and offering better connectivity for regional areas.

“This funding is in addition to the £475m investment in Scotland’s rolling stock over the lifetime of the franchise, meaning Scotland’s rail passengers have never been better served, both in terms of the quality of the trains they travel on, and the number of services running on the network.”

Phil Verster, Managing Director of Abellio ScotRail said:

“This is a really significant moment in our mission to transform Scotland’s railway. In three years time, the service that we provide to our customers will be unrecognisable. Our new electric fleet will be running between Glasgow and Edinburgh, our High Speed trains will be linking our seven cities and, thanks to this announcement today, we will have hundreds more services and thousands more seats available to customers across Scotland – particularly in Aberdeen, the North East and Fife.

“I really cannot overstate just how big a change to our service that this announcement represents. This is not a slight amendment to the way we do business, it is a fundamental change. These new trains will allow us to completely recast our timetables, meaning more regular, local services combined with a high speed intercity offering.

“This transformation means that we can set about delivering on our vision of a railway that connects people with jobs, businesses with customers and communities with the opportunity to grow and prosper. A railway that delivers for Scotland – not just because of what it is, but because of what it allows our country to do.”

Dominic Booth, Managing Director of Abellio UK, said:

“First and foremost today’s major announcement is about delivering for our customers. This investment gets to the heart and soul of how we are working together with Scottish Government to deliver improvements that will see ScotRail powering increased and sustainable economic growth for Scotland as well as delivering benefits for city regions and communities. This is the best railway in the UK and it is getting better".

The improvements have been designed following an early consultation led by ScotRail with input from regional transport partnerships, an arrangement that will continue as plans are progressed.

Interesting that they are using heritage county names in the content.

 

[MrB]

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2499345&postcount=3

Apparently the same number will still be making their way down south for conversion to class 171.

 

[PHILIPE]

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2499345&postcount=3

Apparently the same number will still be making their way down south for conversion to class 171.

This a duplicate thread, see link.

 

[Chrisgr31]

Anyone know where these units now are? Slowly getting towards July!

 

[physics34]

Anyone know where these units now are? Slowly getting towards July!

first unit back from wolverton in a couple of weeks.

 

[G_A_C_C_C]

Anyone able to tell me what the Scotrail 170 was front left of Stewarts Lane on Saturday when I passed on the SLL on the way to CJ? Ta, Graeme

 

[Chrisgr31]

Indeed there's certainly 1 unit there as pictured on this move on Jan 23rd. Note despite being still in First ScotRail livery, 170423 has had it's coupling replaced with a Dellnor and riding on refurbished bogies.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/79134428@N03/24497091675/in/photolist-DjHZTz

Only just seen this post as following Physics post above stating that the first units are back from Wolverton in a couple of weeks I was trying to find out when they went, so I could make some smart alec comment about them rapidly running out of time to do the works seeing as it now April and they are due to be complete in July.

But now distracted as I see that that unit was running as a 3 car unit. Does this this mean that they are converting them in to 4 and 2 car sets at Wolverton?

 

[physics34]

Only just seen this post as following Physics post above stating that the first units are back from Wolverton in a couple of weeks I was trying to find out when they went, so I could make some smart alec comment about them rapidly running out of time to do the works seeing as it now April and they are due to be complete in July.

But now distracted as I see that that unit was running as a 3 car unit. Does this this mean that they are converting them in to 4 and 2 car sets at Wolverton?

I believe they are yes, although at one point it was deemed to much work to split them.

 

[theblackwatch]

first unit back from wolverton in a couple of weeks.

It'll only be 13 months since they finished with ScotRail. I remember the days of the May timetable change in the 1980s.... 10 DMUs would leave one depot on the Sunday and be operating from somewhere else on Monday morning!

 

[87electric]

It'll only be 13 months since they finished with ScotRail. I remember the days of the May timetable change in the 1980s.... 10 DMUs would leave one depot on the Sunday and be operating from somewhere else on Monday morning!

Absolutely. It makes you wonder.

 

[physics34]

Absolutely. It makes you wonder.

more work was needed on them than realised. The platform lengthening programme isnt due to finish on the uckfield line until july.

I think Wolverton was to busy too take them. Interior work, coupling work and underfloor work has been done at selhurst, the rest needs to be done at wolverton.

It is a shame though in the meantime that they didnt run these around even in First colours as there have been 171 stock shortages at times.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

It'll only be 13 months since they finished with ScotRail. I remember the days of the May timetable change in the 1980s.... 10 DMUs would leave one depot on the Sunday and be operating from somewhere else on Monday morning!

Some of it might be down to modern units being more complicated. Units in the 80s wouldn't have had any electronics or computers and software to deal with and there probably wasn't as much variation on connections between units

 

[DarloRich]

I saw one of these turbostars fly through MK en route to Wolverton the other day. A first for me.

 

[Class377/5]

It'll only be 13 months since they finished with ScotRail. I remember the days of the May timetable change in the 1980s.... 10 DMUs would leave one depot on the Sunday and be operating from somewhere else on Monday morning!

So your comparing moving stock with rebuilding stock and wondering why there a time difference? :roll: