Hi everyone
I today received in the post a Notice of Fine and collection order from Bolton Magistrates' Court. It is broken down as follows:
- 1 / Board a train in non compulsory ticket area without a valid ticket - railway bye law. Fine of £220, "Comp" of £3.60, victim surcharge of £22.00 and costs of £150.00.
- 2 Fail to give name and address when suspected of breach or attempted breach of railway byelaws. Fine of £220.
I have until 8th February to raise payment.
Firstly I wish to say I never received any notice of hearing or summons, or any information at all in relation to this case.
To explain the background situation, I boarded a train at Mossley which was unmanned at the time. The ticket officer did not come round on the train as he sometimes does. I got to Manchester Victoria and asked the man for a return from Mossley to MCV. I was asked to go and speak to the revenue officer who was just off to the side about 10 metres away. At this point I knew what was going to happen but as Mossley was unmanned I was fine about it and knew it wouldn't be a problem.
I tell the revenue officer I got on the train at Mossley, then after speaking to the person selling the ticket (as I obviously shouldn't have been stopped considering it wasn't manned at the time) I was accused of saying I boarded at Ashton Under Lyne, which is 2 stops after Mossley. I completely denied and again, said I boarded at Mossley. The revenue officer wasn't really happy with this and said he would call the British Transport Police, which he did.
I was asked for my date of birth, phone number, address etc. I queried if I needed to provide all of this information and was told I did. I gave him my drivers license and he got on some cheap phone which I am assuming was to confirm who I was. This leads me to the question of why I was fined £220 for failing to give my name and address? How did they get my details if I failed to give it?????
Next, the revenue officer wrote down his version of events on his notepad. The main points were that I failed to buy a ticket at Ashton Under Lyne and that I boarded the train without purchasing a ticket before when there was no reason for me not to. In the presence of the BTP he asked me to sign the notepad to confirm. I refused, saying my signature was an admission of guilt by confirming his events as true. He got extremely mad and in the end again went over to the BTP who confirmed I did not have to sign it at all. I didn't sign it and was on my way.
So here we are now. Is there any way I can appeal this, or is that it? What are the prospects of success in this matter?
Appreciate any advice or guidance. This is about principle really for me, should I be looking at hiring some form of lawyer?
Cheers
I today received in the post a Notice of Fine and collection order from Bolton Magistrates' Court. It is broken down as follows:
- 1 / Board a train in non compulsory ticket area without a valid ticket - railway bye law. Fine of £220, "Comp" of £3.60, victim surcharge of £22.00 and costs of £150.00.
- 2 Fail to give name and address when suspected of breach or attempted breach of railway byelaws. Fine of £220.
I have until 8th February to raise payment.
Firstly I wish to say I never received any notice of hearing or summons, or any information at all in relation to this case.
To explain the background situation, I boarded a train at Mossley which was unmanned at the time. The ticket officer did not come round on the train as he sometimes does. I got to Manchester Victoria and asked the man for a return from Mossley to MCV. I was asked to go and speak to the revenue officer who was just off to the side about 10 metres away. At this point I knew what was going to happen but as Mossley was unmanned I was fine about it and knew it wouldn't be a problem.
I tell the revenue officer I got on the train at Mossley, then after speaking to the person selling the ticket (as I obviously shouldn't have been stopped considering it wasn't manned at the time) I was accused of saying I boarded at Ashton Under Lyne, which is 2 stops after Mossley. I completely denied and again, said I boarded at Mossley. The revenue officer wasn't really happy with this and said he would call the British Transport Police, which he did.
I was asked for my date of birth, phone number, address etc. I queried if I needed to provide all of this information and was told I did. I gave him my drivers license and he got on some cheap phone which I am assuming was to confirm who I was. This leads me to the question of why I was fined £220 for failing to give my name and address? How did they get my details if I failed to give it?????
Next, the revenue officer wrote down his version of events on his notepad. The main points were that I failed to buy a ticket at Ashton Under Lyne and that I boarded the train without purchasing a ticket before when there was no reason for me not to. In the presence of the BTP he asked me to sign the notepad to confirm. I refused, saying my signature was an admission of guilt by confirming his events as true. He got extremely mad and in the end again went over to the BTP who confirmed I did not have to sign it at all. I didn't sign it and was on my way.
So here we are now. Is there any way I can appeal this, or is that it? What are the prospects of success in this matter?
Appreciate any advice or guidance. This is about principle really for me, should I be looking at hiring some form of lawyer?
Cheers