Passenger wanted to drive the train

[DarloRich]

That's Probably the reason why I don't find this funny.

And I can assure anyone on here, having spoken with the Plymouth driver involved in this situation, it is anything but a laughing matter for him.......:roll::-x

Taken in isolation the thought of someone, in pyjamas, climbing out of a stationary train, marching along the track and insisting he could and should drive the train is pythonesque!

OBVIOUSLY :roll: in practice it will be anything but funny for both the driver and person involved.

 

[455driver]

I thought the Night Rivieras were all worked by Exeter drivers.

Plymouth drivers work the down sleeper from Exeter to Plymouth and from Plymouth to Penzance.

 

[PHILIPE]

Plymouth drivers work the down sleeper from Exeter to Plymouth and from Plymouth to Penzance.

Thanks for putting me right, obviously under the wrong impression.

 

[irish_rail]

Thanks for putting me right, obviously under the wrong impression.

Yes Plymouth is the south wests premier depot for route and traction knowledge

 

[455driver]

Yes Plymouth is the south wests premier depot for route and traction knowledge

How is your route knowledge via Yeovil?
Oh I forgot you don't go that way do you!
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Thanks for putting me right, obviously under the wrong impression.

That's okay, Exeter do most of the work on there but they diagram Plymouth drivers to do the easy bits!

 

[3141]

So you are saying that anyone who acts like a d+ckhead is mentally ill! :roll:
There are millions of undiagnosed cases in the Country then!

I'm saying that a person who climbs out of the window of a carriage door, walks along the track wearing pyjamas. and tells the driver he wants to drive the train, is much more likely to be mentally disturbed in some way than a criminal.

What do you think his motivation might have been?

 

[455driver]

What do you think his motivation might have been?

Haven't got a clue because I wasn't there!

 

[richw]

I'm saying that a person who climbs out of the window of a carriage door, walks along the track wearing pyjamas. and tells the driver he wants to drive the train, is much more likely to be mentally disturbed in some way than a criminal.

What do you think his motivation might have been?

Either mentally ill, or p**sed right up.

 

[pdeaves]

What do you think his motivation might have been?

Based only on what I have seen reported and how certain people I know react when they are tired, I would say that there wasn't any 'motivation' at all.

It was the middle of the night; the train had stopped, perhaps with a jolt, perhaps the sudden non-rumbling was the trigger. Either way, I would say that the man woke with a start but didn't wake properly, so was very confused. I expect he has little proper memory of what happened that night, that it seems like a weird dream.

Of course, things may be very different, but that's how it looks to me, as I say based on the elements of the story I know.

 

[bluenoxid]

First of all. We should laugh/smile. In a world where bad news is beamed around the world, the amusing bits should be let through.

Second, we should be concerned. As poor as it was put, the gentleman could have been under a train. We also don't know if any altercation occurred (most likely if restrained) and empathise with the poor driver who must have absolutely jumped out of their skin when they first became aware of this person.

Third be a little sorry for that person, who is at worst in a very interesting point of their life and at best trying to explain to the fuzz what they remember of last night.

Everyone is lucky here! Let's remember that.

 

[TDK]

The evidence is what he is reported to have done.

He may have been drunk?

 

[Antman]

He may have been drunk?

Being drunk has never caused me to pull the alarm on a train and then want to drive it.

Some sort of mental health problem sounds more likely and there but for the grace of god goes anyone of us.

 

[455driver]

Based only on what I have seen reported and how certain people I know react when they are tired, I would say that there wasn't any 'motivation' at all.

It was the middle of the night; the train had stopped, perhaps with a jolt, perhaps the sudden non-rumbling was the trigger. Either way, I would say that the man woke with a start but didn't wake properly, so was very confused. I expect he has little proper memory of what happened that night, that it seems like a weird dream.

Of course, things may be very different, but that's how it looks to me, as I say based on the elements of the story I know.

Have you had any books published because that is a brilliant work of fiction!
The train stopped because Mr wannabetraindriver pulled the passcomm so he was already awake!
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First of all. We should laugh/smile. In a world where bad news is beamed around the world, the amusing bits should be let through.

Second, we should be concerned. As poor as it was put, the gentleman could have been under a train. We also don't know if any altercation occurred (most likely if restrained) and empathise with the poor driver who must have absolutely jumped out of their skin when they first became aware of this person.

Third be a little sorry for that person, who is at worst in a very interesting point of their life and at best trying to explain to the fuzz what they remember of last night.

Everyone is lucky here! Let's remember that.

I agree with your first two points but cannot agree with number 3, it is all about being held accountable for our actions, and this person should be held fully accountable for his actions that morning, just as the WCRC driver is being held accountable for his actions.
People cant have it both ways, either everyone should be held accountable or nobody should!

 

[ian959]

What do you think his motivation might have been?

At a guess, he fancied a go at driving a train?

 

[al78]

Have you had any books published because that is a brilliant work of fiction!
The train stopped because Mr wannabetraindriver pulled the passcomm so he was already awake!
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I agree with your first two points but cannot agree with number 3, it is all about being held accountable for our actions, and this person should be held fully accountable for his actions that morning, just as the WCRC driver is being held accountable for his actions.
People cant have it both ways, either everyone should be held accountable or nobody should!

If he was (and I say IF) mentally ill then I don't see how he can be responsible for his actions as he is not in a rational state of mind. If you are going to judge then you should do based on the particular circumstances.

 

[DarloRich]

If he was (and I say IF) mentally ill then I don't see how he can be responsible for his actions as he is not in a rational state of mind. If you are going to judge then you should do based on the particular circumstances.

well surely in that case he may be held accountable once he has been treated in a secure hospital. One could say that the deprivation of liberty that would bring could be accountability enough.

 

[Antman]

well surely in that case he may be held accountable once he has been treated in a secure hospital. One could say that the deprivation of liberty that would bring could be accountability enough.

I wouldn't automatically assume that he will be detained in a secure hospital

 

[455driver]

If he was (and I say IF) mentally ill then I don't see how he can be responsible for his actions as he is not in a rational state of mind. If you are going to judge then you should do based on the particular circumstances.

So you are saying that anyone who may have some sort of mental illness can do whatever they want without reprisal!

So because a certain Moors murderer has now been declared fit and well he should be released into society because he carried out all those crimes when mentally ill!

I am so glad I don't live in your world!

 

[Antman]

So you are saying that anyone who may have some sort of mental illness can do whatever they want without reprisal!

So because a certain Moors murderer has now been declared fit and well he should be released into society because he carried out all those crimes when mentally ill!

I am so glad I don't live in your world!

Bringing the moors murderers into this is just ridiculous, this sounds like a rerun of the puppy incident at Warminster with people passing judgment on things without being in possession of the facts.

I'm equally glad that I don't live in your world.

 

[al78]

So you are saying that anyone who may have some sort of mental illness can do whatever they want without reprisal!

So because a certain Moors murderer has now been declared fit and well he should be released into society because he carried out all those crimes when mentally ill!

I am so glad I don't live in your world!

With a strawman like that, you should go into the scarecrow business. :roll:

 

[bradders1983]

well surely in that case he may be held accountable once he has been treated in a secure hospital.

Are you actually being serious?!?!

 

[Tetchytyke]

So you are saying that anyone who may have some sort of mental illness can do whatever they want without reprisal!

The law recognises that people with mental ill-health may not be responsible for their actions, or may even be so unwell as to make it impossible to try them. See Lord Jenner for further details.

Of course the consequences of being of unsound mind- detention in a psychiatric hospital being one of them- are not pleasant.

You're sounding like the sort of person who'd prosecute someone if they attempted suicide on the railway and didn't complete it.

So because a certain Moors murderer has now been declared fit and well he should be released into society because he carried out all those crimes when mentally ill!

He was convicted as a person of sound mind, and was only sectioned afterwards. The latest mental health tribunal ruled he was still unwell. If they were to rule he was well he would be returned to prison to complete his sentence.

 

[DarloRich]

I wouldn't automatically assume that he will be detained in a secure hospital

yes - quite correct. A secure hospital has a certain definition that may not apply here.

Are you actually being serious?!?!

yes - Can you explain further?

 

[Peter Sarf]

So you are saying that anyone who may have some sort of mental illness can do whatever they want without reprisal!

So because a certain Moors murderer has now been declared fit and well he should be released into society because he carried out all those crimes when mentally ill!

I am so glad I don't live in your world!

The whole world does not revolve around punishment.

Someone can be detained if it is deemed that they are a danger to themselves or to others in society. That does not necessarily make them a criminal and does not automatically mean punishment is required.

As for "some sort of mental illness can do whatever they want" - would you lock up people who are no danger to themselves or others ?. How much tax do you want us all to pay for that ?.

There are plenty of people who flit in and out of mental illness at such a minor level that they are not even diagnosed.

 

[redbutton]

My first thought was actually sleep medication. The class of drugs known as "Z-drugs" (Zolpidem, Zolpiclone, etc) have been known to cause this kind of behaviour if you don't immediately go to bed after taking them, take too many, or are awakened in the night.

People have been known to binge eat or go out driving, with no memory whatsoever in the morning.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21367628