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Being prosecuted for out of date Network Railcard - help greatly appreciated!

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Ewokboy

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Evening,

I have been summoned to court for using (unbeknownst), a network railcard which was 5 days out of date.

I have looked through some older cases and am wondering if this would stand up in court. Or, should I try to settle out of court? If so, how would I go about this? If I plead not guilty, how likely am I to get off? Can anyone recommend a solicitors firm?

I am living in London and was travelling from Cambridge to Kings Cross when the incident occurred, travelling on a Great Northern train.

Answers to any or all of these questions would help me considerably. I am a student teacher and have no wish to get a criminal record!

Thank you
 
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Unfortunately travelling using a ticket discounted by a Railcard whilst that Railcard was out of date does mean that you weren't travelling with a valid ticket so they are entitled to bring a prosecution against you. Could you clarify what piece of legislation they are prosecuting you using? Could be Railway Byelaw 18 and/or the Regulation of Railways Act Section 5.

As the TOC has decided to prosecute you then you have a few options:

1) Defend your case in court by pleading not guilty. You'll need to be able to defeat the evidence that the prosecution will bring against you (that you travelled without a valid ticket). Further if you're found guilty you'll not only face a fine and potentially a criminal record but also the other sides costs (you would also lose the advantage in sentencing of an early guilty plea potentially reducing the fine).

2) Plead guilty and accept a fine and potential criminal record.

3) Write directly to the TOC apologising for your actions and offering to pay the fare outstanding and whatever costs they've incurred so far. They may opt to accept a payment from you directly and avoid court or they may wish to proceed to court.

Finally, and especially if they do take you to court, you should strongly consider seeking professional legal advice even if it's only a 30 minute free consultation. Whilst specialists in railway law are available they are not common and charge a great deal for their services. However, a local firm dealing in criminal law defence should be able to provide adequate assistance.

You may wish to consult the Legal section of our Ticketing Guide for more information and with particular reference to this section and this section.
 

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I have looked through some older cases and am wondering if this would stand up in court. Or, should I try to settle out of court? If so, how would I go about this? If I plead not guilty, how likely am I to get off? Can anyone recommend a solicitors firm?
Yes, it would stand up in court so you definitely want to avoid it getting there if possible. When is the court date?
 

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It is byelaw 18.

How lenient are they with offered to pay out of court? I have a previous (spent) conviction for avoiding a fair about 15 years ago.
 

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It is byelaw 18.

How lenient are they with offered to pay out of court? I have a previous (spent) conviction for avoiding a fair about 15 years ago.
Byelaw 18 offences aren't recordable so may not have as big an impact on your future career. When is the court date?
 

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The court date is 18/1/16.

Are you saying that it will not show up on my DBS certificate?
 

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That's correct. A conviction for very many offences should not be entered into the Police National Computer, and all the Railway Byelaws are in that category.

Worth noting perhaps that Enhanced DBS checks don't just pull from the PNC, they write to the relevant forces for the address history and ask for anything they've got that may be relevant. Though I doubt a Byelaw prosecution for non-payment of a rail fare without intent[1] would be considered "relevant"; I do know someone who got a fixed penalty for drunk and disorderly as a student, and that has never come up on his (he works as a teaching assistant and has also worked with vulnerable adults, so has had both types of enhanced check).

[1] If the TOC felt there was provable intent, a RoRA prosecution would have been used instead.
 
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If the haring is not until January then there is enough time for you to approach the TOC an ask them to consider an out of court settlement.
 

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If the haring is not until January then there is enough time for you to approach the TOC an ask them to consider an out of court settlement.
Though you need to be sharpish about it as things tend to slow down over the Christmas period.
 

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Worth noting perhaps that Enhanced DBS checks don't just pull from the PNC, they write to the relevant forces for the address history and ask for anything they've got that may be relevant. Though I doubt a Byelaw prosecution for non-payment of a rail fare without intent[1] would be considered "relevant"; I do know someone who got a fixed penalty . . . . .
Someone getting a fixed penalty issued by a Police officer aside, the mechanism you refer to does NOT and CANNOT capture a Railway Byelaw prosecution (as 'the relevant forces' do not have any point of contact or data with a private prosecution).
. . . should I try to settle out of court? If so, how would I go about this?
Either by writing to the Company's Prosecutions Manager or instructing a solicitor from any local law firm which specialised in Criminal Defence work to do so on your behalf. That contact should focus on your intention (to achieve a mutually satisfactory outcome), the outcome so far (anything you have learned which impacts on your future business with the Company - anything you can say you have learned - any sentiment towards the Company's predicament - etc.).
[There are some on here who suggest that such a letter should be lengthy and detail the circumstances of the incident. I disagree. The Prosecutor in interested in the Company's exposure to risk of lost revenue, and knowing that the odd passenger detected travelling unlawfully feels remorse after the event and is concerned about their own job doesn't help. But, anything which helps to reduce the Company's exposure to risk will help (such as your learning outcomes, or even a practical offer which assists in making other passengers travelling from your local station to be more aware of the need to regularly check the validitity of their own Railcards)]
A solicitor would be very much more confident and able to make that approach by phone than you would. That's the main advantage of instructing a solicitor at this stage - they can pre-empt the worse outcomes by negotiation.
If I plead not guilty, how likely am I to get off?
Not at all without evidence. If you let it proceed to trial at which you plead Not Guilty, then you will be given another date to return for the Court to hear the full arguments from both parties. Witnesses for the Prosecution, and the witnesses for the Defence (that's you) will each present their evidence on which the claim will be decided, and with reference to the legal authorities which are included in the papers. At present, you've given me nothing which I could consider as beneficial evidence to support your claim of Not Guilty. Please correct me if there is something that would be helpful which you haven't told us.
Can anyone recommend a solicitors firm?
There are a few firms which claim to specialise in Railway Law. They are not very affordable, though some people with very substantial assets have been grateful for their ability to manipulate a hearing in the Magistrates Court to their client's advantage. You'd be committing to perhaps £4000 if your case is pursued by one of them and then fails.
But any local law firm which specialises in Criminal Defence work will be able to assist in negotiating an Out of Court settlement (even if that is in Court on the day of the hearing, in the lobby, just before the case is called!).
If the haring is not until January then there is enough time for you to approach the TOC an ask them to consider an out of court settlement.
I read Ewokboy's request as if he had already assumed that that was true, and was asking us for assistance in how to proceed. Have I missed something?
 
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The OP asked if he should try and settle out of court and if so, how he should go about this.

I would say YES, he should certainly try and settle out of court given that he does appear to have travelled with an out of date railcard (i.e. no indication thus far that he wishes to plea not guilty). How to go about that? Contact the train company and ask them if they would be willing to reach an out of court settlement and that you offer to cover their costs. They do not have to offer this but it is certainly worth requesting. This would be better then it going to court as the overall costs then will almost certainly be much higher.
 

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Thanks guys, feeling s little more confident.

Is there a draft letter I could look at to give me an idea of what I should be writing to the TOC?

Thanks again
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Can anybody help me out with how I might word a letter to the TOC? Are there any dos and don'ts that I should be aware of? I've had s look through done previous threads and cannot see anything. Apologies if I'm being blind. Realise that time is ticking on this do would appreciate some help or at least a pointer in the right direction.

Many thanks.
 

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A dreadful, heavy-handed way of dealing with a pretty minor transgression IMO. If only we as an industry put so much vigour into things like information dissemination during disruption, or processing refunds and compensation claims in a timely way. It's no wonder we are a laughing stock.
Nevertheless, the OP is stretched over a barrel, and should heed the advice given.
 

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Hello,

My court date is tomorrow but I have not entered a plea as I have written to the TOC and asked them to style out of court but I have not received and word from them. If I have not entered a plea will I still be expected in court and if yes, will I be able to speak?

Thank you
 

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Though remember that the case will relate to matters of fact (did you travel with an invalid ticket or didn't you) - intent is not relevant for a Byelaw prosecution.

You can, FWIW, still attempt to negotiate a settlement with the TOC's prosecutor right up to the case being heard. It might be worth you getting a solicitor involved as they will know what to do, though obviously there is a cost.
 
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Ewokboy

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Thank you - I thought as much.

How do you mean I could still arrange a settlement?
 

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Thank you - I thought as much.

How do you mean I could still arrange a settlement?
Speak to the TOC's prosecutor before the case is called and ask if it's possible to set the case aside and pursue a private settlement instead.
 

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Thanks guys.

Where would I found out what sort of fine I'll be looking at? And what the court costs will be?
 

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Where would I found out what sort of fine I'll be looking at? And what the court costs will be?

If found guilty in court, for a first offence, it is usually in the region of £500 - £700 total I believe.
 
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