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All overhead power off at Crewe since 18:35 (28/10)

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We were told a person was hit south of Crewe and someone has been threatening to jump north of Crewe for the past two hours. Because of the latter Network Rail turned off all overhead power just as our 1736 BHM-LIV (LM) arrived at Crewe.

We are now on the diesel to Chester with a few other Reds hoping to make it for the second half!
 
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We were told a person was hit south of Crewe and someone has been threatening to jump north of Crewe for the past two hours. Because of the latter Network Rail turned off all overhead power just as our 1736 BHM-LIV (LM) arrived at Crewe.

We are now on the diesel to Chester with a few other Reds hoping to make it for the second half!

Macclesfield also blocked now so there goes that route too!
 

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I was travelling towards Manchester on the 1802 ex Stafford which was booked via Macclesfield but diverted via Crewe which didn't help due to the other problems here. The train was caped at Crewe where everyone is currently waiting...
 

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Incident at Adlington blocked the Macclesfield route.

Followed by (two?) incidents at Crewe.

Disruption extensive.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Both incidents now resolved. Adlington line reopened; power back on at Crewe.

Horrendous backlog to clear!

Control will be earning their pennies tonight!
 

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MKB:2343825 said:
We were told a person was hit south of Crewe and someone has been threatening to jump north of Crewe for the past two hours. Because of the latter Network Rail turned off all overhead power just as our 1736 BHM-LIV (LM) arrived at Crewe.

We are now on the diesel to Chester with a few other Reds hoping to make it for the second half!
did you make it?
 

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did you make it?

Got in on 57 minutes. One bloke had brought his young lad all the way from Devon for his first game. Such a shame for them.

The railways are becoming - in my experience - increasingly unreliable. No resilience built into the system anymore and all decisions made from an evermore risk-averse standpoint.
 

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I'm still waiting at Crewe. Oh the plus side apparently the gentleman on the bridge was talked down safely.
 

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The railways are becoming - in my experience - increasingly unreliable. No resilience built into the system anymore and all decisions made from an evermore risk-averse standpoint.

What resiliance do you propose for a train from Stafford which can't go via Macclefield due to a fatality, and can't go via Crewe because of a person threatening to soon be a fatality? There aren't any other ways a train could physically go.
 

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What resiliance do you propose for a train from Stafford which can't go via Macclefield due to a fatality, and can't go via Crewe because of a person threatening to soon be a fatality? There aren't any other ways a train could physically go.
This. Ironically it was resiliance that cost me as the problem on the Macclesfield route actually ended being sorted sooner!
 

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Got in on 57 minutes. One bloke had brought his young lad all the way from Devon for his first game. Such a shame for them.

The railways are becoming - in my experience - increasingly unreliable. No resilience built into the system anymore and all decisions made from an evermore risk-averse standpoint.

Resilience costs money. People complain (already) that fares are too expensive.

And difficult to see anything which would have helped with this particular set of circumstances.
 

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Just the one incident at Crewe, on the first over bridge north of the station on the Manchester line (hungerford road). Simultaneously as mentioned there was an incident at Adlington.

As far as resilience goes I'm not sure what more you can do. For example, the traincrew on 1v62 1830 Manchester-Carmarthen signed a total of 4 different routes between Manchester and Crewe. They still didn't get into Crewe till after 10.
 

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Suicide at adlington (cheshire) and the suicidal person near Crewe then someone having a medical incident at Mossley. was not a good day for staff or passengers.
 

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The railways are becoming - in my experience - increasingly unreliable. No resilience built into the system anymore and all decisions made from an evermore risk-averse standpoint.

Now hang on a minute, if someone is trying to kill themselves or has the potential to kill themselves whilst on railway property what do you expect Network Rail to do? Let them get on with it?
 

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Friend of mine had two hours at Stafford on the 1S90 1730EUS-GLC. Got stuck at Stafford for two hours, the driver apparently came down personally to explain what was going on.

Glad I wasn't trying to get the 1840 or 1940 to wilmslpw today as I normally do.
 

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When any sort of incident happens where there's overhead, can individual tracks be turn off or does the way it's wired normally mean that everything gets turned off?
 

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I think this is one of those things you can't do a lot about, and if it were on a motorway the effect would be the same - the road would be closed. The railway has been working hard to reduce suicides and similar - the fencing on the south WCML and inner GWML is said to be very effective at putting people off by providing a psychological barrier, for instance.
 

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Wouldn't have liked to have been in Control last night. Sensational amount of disruption there.
 

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I think this is one of those things you can't do a lot about, and if it were on a motorway the effect would be the same - the road would be closed. The railway has been working hard to reduce suicides and similar - the fencing on the south WCML and inner GWML is said to be very effective at putting people off by providing a psychological barrier, for instance.

At least, on the railway the line re-opens as soon as the incident has been dealt with. Roads very often stay closed for hours while the police have to investigate to find somebody to blame.
 

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I do feel that instances of people threatening to jump ought to be dealt with in a swift and far less delicate manner. Large inflatable jump mats and a taser would do the job. If a person is intent on suicide they tend to just go and do it. Those who spend hours sat on a bridge parapet with the world at a stop, tend to get off again in the end - having caused abject mayhem of nightmarish proportions first. There's plenty of time for help and sympathy afterwards, but the incident itself should be approached with the intention of a swift resolution, in my personal view.
 
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I do feel that instances of people threatening to jump ought to be dealt with in a swift and far less delicate manner. Large inflatable jump mats and a taser would do the job. If a person is intent on suicide they tend to just go and do it. Those who spend hours sat on a bridge parapet with the world at a stop, tend to get off again in the end - having caused abject mayhem of nightmarish proportions first. There's plenty of time for help and sympathy afterwards, but the incident itself should be approached with the intention of a swift resolution, in my personal view.

The danger is that for someone who is on the knife edge between actually doing it and not doing it, the sight of someone setting up inflatable mats or whatever beneath them might be the moment that they decide to do it after all, while they've still got the chance.

How much of a bad place do you have to be in, mentally, to bring part of the country to a halt? Some people undoubtedly get into these situations with no real intention of actually ending their life, but clearly they've become so desperate and feel so isolated that they think their only hope at getting help is a dramatic statement that will get them noticed.

I feel for the thousands of people that had their journeys delayed by hours yesterday, and yet I feel more for the person for whom things have become so truly unbearable that they would knowingly cause such chaos - something unthinkable to most of us in our normal state.
 

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When any sort of incident happens where there's overhead, can individual tracks be turn off or does the way it's wired normally mean that everything gets turned off?

I suspect the feed will be for all lines within a section, but I may be wrong
 

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Suicide at adlington (cheshire) and the suicidal person near Crewe then someone having a medical incident at Mossley. was not a good day for staff or passengers.

All history now, but the Network Rail apology on their web site says it was at Adlington (Lancs).
http://www.networkrailmediacentre.c...cause-delays-across-the-north-west-of-England
•South of Manchester: A vulnerable person near the railway in Crewe meant the overhead lines had to be switched off through the area, halting services on the West Coast Main Line and causing congestion on local roads
•East of Manchester: An injured passenger on the platform at Mossley led to delays between Manchester and Huddersfield
•North of Manchester: A trespasser on the railway at Mills Hill affected trains between Manchester and Rochdale
•North west of Manchester: A person was hit by a train near Adlington, which affected trains between Chorley and Manchester

Apart from the geographical mixup, a Lancs incident would not have stopped trains on the Macclesfield route.
Presumably the remark about "outside our control" is a way of saying no compensation is due to anybody.
Otherwise it would be a busy time for Virgin's new auto-compensation process!
 

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I suspect the feed will be for all lines within a section, but I may be wrong

Smaller sections would help to reduce disruption but would presumably be expensive, and by introducing further neutral sections would presumably increase the risk of system failure.

A while ago a derailment in Basford Hall brought down some wires - brought the WCML to a stand. I was surprised (but very relieved to be on a Voyager :D ) that an incident within the yard stopped the whole job.
 

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All history now, but the Network Rail apology on their web site says it was at Adlington (Lancs).
http://www.networkrailmediacentre.c...cause-delays-across-the-north-west-of-England


Apart from the geographical mixup, a Lancs incident would not have stopped trains on the Macclesfield route.
Presumably the remark about "outside our control" is a way of saying no compensation is due to anybody.
Otherwise it would be a busy time for Virgin's new auto-compensation process!

It was the Cheshire one. One of our trains and a driver I know well
 

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I do feel that instances of people threatening to jump ought to be dealt with in a swift and far less delicate manner. Large inflatable jump mats and a taser would do the job. If a person is intent on suicide they tend to just go and do it. Those who spend hours sat on a bridge parapet with the world at a stop, tend to get off again in the end - having caused abject mayhem of nightmarish proportions first. There's plenty of time for help and sympathy afterwards, but the incident itself should be approached with the intention of a swift resolution, in my personal view.

Totally agreed. Pussy-footing around for two hours (if the OP is correct) is taking the pee.
 

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picture of network rail apologise, at Manchester Piccadilly today. On a side note I noticed the last virgin service to London left at 23:00 has there ever been a later train to London from Manchester than that.
Sam
 
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