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Network Rail - Stop Taking Selfies On Railway Tracks

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deltic1989

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How about some people from NR and BTP, popping down to hotspots for this kind of behavior, at the busiest time, and lobbing a convincingly dressed dummy in front of a train?
Obviously inform the driver and anyone else who needs to know before doing it. I'm not sanctioning, chucking dummies in front of random trains.
 
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Of course, and it's a general point about communication to the public. (Have just edited my previous post to reflect this, before seeing your post above, but I don't think you'd seen my edit.) But someone earlier in this thread was saying how it couldn't really be dangerous with a train every hour at barely walking speed (or whatever) and there were several replies to them along the lines of "it's dangerous and if you can't see that, it's your problem!" (I paraphrase). Not a great way to persuade anyone of anything.

If someone (after all that convincing) still can't see the issue then their problem is far deeper than not recognising risk where it should be obvious. What else can be done to educate? It's too late to learn after being struck.

I've yet to find an effective solution for stupid ignorance.
 
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If someone (after all that convincing) still can't see the issue then their problem is far deeper than not recognising risk where it should be obvious. What else can be done to educate? It's too late to learn after being struck.

I've yet to find an effective solution for stupid ignorance.

Education.

If someone doesn't understand why something is dangerous, educate them. That doesn't mean calling them stupid or ignorant, it doesn't mean telling them that it's obvious, it means explaining things to them without jargon and without presupposing knowledge of the railways.

I have taken photos (not selfies, I don't do them) from level crossings on many occasions. I've never though put myself in any position where I could not clear the crossing between the audible warning starting and the barrier starting to descend. I'm able bodied and in most cases as I'm at or near the centre of the crossing so it takes me less time to move to a position of safety than it does for e.g. an elderly person who has just begun to cross. I do though at all times when I'm doing this make sure I am aware of my surroundings so that I can react as soon as the warning sounds.
Indeed the only issue I can ever recall at a level crossing was when a cyclist swerved into me when avoiding an impatient motorist (a few weeks ago at Cheshunt).

Is that dangerous? It's certainly not sitting down on the tracks dangerous.

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Tangentially related, the only crossing I have felt was at all unsafe was a public footpath crossing on the Somerset levels (Westbury to Taunton line I think, but it was many years ago) where after entering the railway boundary, the crossing user had (has?) to climb several feet up to the top of the ballast and then descend a similar distance on the far side.
 

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Would this count as a 'selfie'?

Photo was seen on Facebook and I believe originated from the 'Spotted: Wivenhoe' page, seems as if the photo was taken recently, must be the Halloween celebrations getting to them.

I'm not sure if the photo is genuine but posts on the Facebook page indicate the BTP and parents are now aware and investigating. Something about it doesn't seem right so it could be a photo-shopped photo, I'm really not sure.
 

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How about some people from NR and BTP, popping down to hotspots for this kind of behavior, at the busiest time, and lobbing a convincingly dressed dummy in front of a train?
Obviously inform the driver and anyone else who needs to know before doing it. I'm not sanctioning, chucking dummies in front of random trains.

Making people believe they have seen a real person chewed up by a speeding express? I'm all for accepting reality, when it is real. But that would be over the top and wrong to trick people.

A more rational approach would be to increase the amount of education about railways in schools and colleges. Every year someone from Network Rail, BTP, and a local T/FOC should provide a talk to students. This needs to cover speed, stopping distances, electrification, standing back on platforms etc.
 

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Education. If someone doesn't understand why something is dangerous, educate them. That doesn't mean calling them stupid or ignorant, it doesn't mean telling them that it's obvious, it means explaining things to them without jargon and without presupposing knowledge of the railways.

All the education in the world will not make certain people behave in a rational manner should they suddenly feel the need to do something utterly against what education has taught them.

There is another thread on this website that makes reference to a young girl being killed on a crossing whilst wearing headphones that appeared to make her oblivious of matters around her. I am sure that she would have been aware of the dangers, but chose not to abide by them.
 
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