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I am aware that the Class 153s were derived from the 155s but I hope someone can help or point me in the right direction.

155301 - 153335 were the original sets.

What were they renumbers/classified as i.e.
155301 became 153301 ? and 153???

etc.

Thanks in advance.
 
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I am aware that the Class 153s were derived from the 155s but I hope someone can help or point me in the right direction.

155301 - 153335 were the original sets.

What were they renumbers/classified as i.e.
155301 became 153301 ? and 153???

etc.

Thanks in advance.

155301 became 153301 and 153351. Best way to remember it is that one car retained its low number, the other gained + 50.

Incidentally, FGW does have one former 155 in their fleet - 153318 & 153368.
 

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Thanks.

putting a file together about them.

What was their main livery and last allocations.
 

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Incidentally, FGW does have one former 155 in their fleet - 153318 & 153368.

FGW used to have 153305 & 153355 also, 153305 still with FGW, 153355 now with East Midlands Trains.
 
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What was their main livery and last allocations.
155301%20Leyland%20works.jpg


The units were delivered in Provincial livery (above) and retained this until conversion to Class 153s when they gained the then new Regional Railways livery.

The 35 units were all allocated to Cardiff Canton (CF) and used on services such as Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour, Cardiff Central to Birmingham New Street and Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly.
 

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I am aware that the Class 153s were derived from the 155s but I hope someone can help or point me in the right direction.

155301 - 153335 were the original sets.

What were they renumbers/classified as i.e.
155301 became 153301 ? and 153???

etc.

Thanks in advance.

When conversions were done the 523xx cars became 153301-35 and the 573xx cars 153351-85. Very shortly after 57301 et al had 50 added to make them 57351 etc
 

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155301 became 153301 and 153351. Best way to remember it is that one car retained its low number, the other gained + 50.

Incidentally, FGW does have one former 155 in their fleet - 153318 & 153368.

And ATW have 153303/353 and 153312/362. Not bad given they only have 8 in total.
 

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Basically Individual car numbers 52351-349 became 153301-349
Car numbers 57301-349 became 153351-399

(Although there arent THAT many units!)

The conversion put a cab in the inner end but in order to fit a cut-out was put into the control desk and the bulkhead built which encroached into the doorway slightly. The inner cab has light clusters fitted at a higher level than at the original cab end
 

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155301%20Leyland%20works.jpg


The units were delivered in Provincial livery (above) and retained this until conversion to Class 153s when they gained the then new Regional Railways livery.

The 35 units were all allocated to Cardiff Canton (CF) and used on services such as Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour, Cardiff Central to Birmingham New Street and Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly.

Unit looks very smart.
 

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That photo brings back so many memories. Was amazing at the time to be getting 150/2s with through connections & then suddenly came these 'Super Sprinters' with Intercity style saloons.
 

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155301%20Leyland%20works.jpg


The units were delivered in Provincial livery (above) and retained this until conversion to Class 153s when they gained the then new Regional Railways livery.

The 35 units were all allocated to Cardiff Canton (CF) and used on services such as Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour, Cardiff Central to Birmingham New Street and Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly.

This picture is an example of how an intelligently-designed and executed paint job can transform the look of a unit. The Northern 155s & 153s look appalling. This looks really smart.
 

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What was the rationale for converting the two-coach 155s to one-coach 153s?

Basically to create more flexibility in train formations (so possible to have 2+1 instead of having to go to 2+2 units), and to create some single cars for lightly used services e.g. Stourbridge Town, Felixstowe, Looe etc. branches.

Regional Railways at the time couldn't financially justify any more new DMU stock (which is one reason why the last batch of 158's built ended up going to NSE as 159's), so they rebuilt what they had to try and improve fleet utilisation efficiency (and so that they could retire more 1950s/1960s era DMU vehicles).
 
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Only the early few 156s had the Sprinter branding somewhere around 156442 they reverted to Super Sprinter branding from new
 

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What was the rationale for converting the two-coach 155s to one-coach 153s?

There were too many 2 coach trains and a lot of services didn't warrant running them as 4 coach trains where a 3 coach train would be more appropriate so the idea of splitting some up into single coaches was decided on and the 155s were chosen.
 

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I understood that singling the units was part of reliability mods as well, bear in mind it was 30 years ago.....
 

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I thought the 155s were split up as they were hideously unreliable units? I've read about units having doors open whilst at speed, and the whole fleet sidelined and replaced by 156s whilst a solution could be found.

Yes that's right. There were several instances when the 155's were fairly new where the doors opened whilst on the move. This resulted in the whole fleet of (then) 35 units being grounded for a while to sort out the problem.

It caused chaos across the area that they worked as BR had to re-deploy stock from various places around the UK to cover the shortfall. It's the only time that 156's ever ventured into Devon as I recall as some were used as cover for the 155's.
 

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Don't forget too that most of these second generation units started life without traction interlock & guard could give driver 2 on the buzzer & obtain brake release with the local door open.
 

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It caused chaos across the area that they worked as BR had to re-deploy stock from various places around the UK to cover the shortfall. It's the only time that 156's ever ventured into Devon as I recall as some were used as cover for the 155's.

They used 156s on the Cardiff to Portsmouth Harbour route as well during the grounding; I think that's also the only time 156s have worked on southern metals.
 

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Basically to create more flexibility in train formations (so possible to have 2+1 instead of having to go to 2+2 units), and to create some single cars for lightly used services e.g. Stourbridge Town, Felixstowe, Looe etc. branches.

Regional Railways at the time couldn't financially justify any more new DMU stock (which is one reason why the last batch of 158's built ended up going to NSE as 159's), so they rebuilt what they had to try and improve fleet utilisation efficiency (and so that they could retire more 1950s/1960s era DMU vehicles).

It was said at the time (in Modern Railways, probably around 1990 from memory) to be a plan to get rid of the remaining first generation DMUs on Regional Railways. Obviously it didn't quite work as some of the 101s survived for another decade and we still have a couple of bubblecars today. Possibly the growth we have seen since the 1990s had started to kick in even then.
 

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It was said at the time (in Modern Railways, probably around 1990 from memory) to be a plan to get rid of the remaining first generation DMUs on Regional Railways. Obviously it didn't quite work as some of the 101s survived for another decade and we still have a couple of bubblecars today. Possibly the growth we have seen since the 1990s had started to kick in even then.
In the "Network SouthEast Story" it states that NSE was trying to get as much growth in the mid 1980s before the economic cycle took its next downturn so that whilst times were good they could get the maximum amount of investment in new trains. Both NSE and Regional Railways (RR) started to struggle towards the end of the cycle. Hence what has been mentioned about RR finding itself with too many 158s on order and NSE taking 66 vehicles for the West of England. In turn, NSE agreed to take over the Oxford-Worcester services from RR (An original 155 route I believe) because releasing 66 158 vehicles for NSE was gping to leave RR slightly short. I think that is why 165001-005, originally ordered for Chiltern Lines services, became based at Reading to help backfill for 166s covering services to Worcester.

The 153s were designed to help RR get rid of the last first gen DMUs, and were largely intended to operate as single cars. However, post-privatisation growth quickly saw them used in pairs or to strengthen other trains to three cars as the arrival of third generation DMUs saw second generation DMUs get cascaded.

Heaton Depot (HT) got 153s for use on branches in the North East and also the Cumbrian coast. The former helped with the cascade of 143s to South Wales and the South West; the latter saw Class 108 DMUs withdrawn.

Norwich Crown Point Depot (NC) got 153s for use on East Angian branch lines alongside some Class 150/2 units where a little more capacity was needed. This helped allow the withdrawal of the remaining first gen units, plus assisted with the cascade of 156s to Tyseley Depot (TS) with the 158s operating the long distance stuff. I recall that at least one Centro livered 150/2 and one Merseyrail liveried 150/2 were sent to NC (gaining RR colours) as RR "pinched" the 150/2s from several areas for NC.

Laira Depot (LA) got 153s for use largely on the Devon and Cornwall branches alongside 150/2s. They again were used to replace first gen DMUs (including the Class 122 bubble cars), although it shouldn't be forgotten that these were largely brought in from elsewhere after the first attempt to replace first gen DMUs with Class 142s (branded as "Skipper" units and in a chocolate and cream version of the then Provincial blue railbus colours) failed due to the use of non-bogied stock on the tightly curving branch lines.

As the economy started picking up again in the 1990s RR had to refurbish some first generation DMUs to pick up the slack. Some of these (Class 101 power-trailer formations) were originally allocated to NC until they got all their 153 and 150/2 units, and they then went to Longsight Depot (LO) for use in the North West alongside Class 101 power-twin formations and a handful of three car formations. Some Class 101 power-twins also went to Scotland for use by Strathclyde PTE intheir orange and black colours. RR also refurbished some Class 117 three-car units, initially in use from Tyseley Depot (TS) and then transferred to Haymarket Depot (HA).
 

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Basically Individual car numbers 52351-349 became 153301-349
Car numbers 57301-349 became 153351-399

(Although there arent THAT many units!)

The conversion put a cab in the inner end but in order to fit a cut-out was put into the control desk and the bulkhead built which encroached into the doorway slightly. The inner cab has light clusters fitted at a higher level than at the original cab end

They also added a toilet to those cars that did not have them
 

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Basically Individual car numbers 52351-349 became 153301-349
Car numbers 57301-349 became 153351-399

This is wrong...
Firstly, there were only 35 units in the original build for the Western region
They were numbered
155 301 (52301 + 57301)
to
155 335 (52335 + 57335)

52301 - 35 became 153 301 - 153 335
57301 - 35 became 153 351 - 153 385

Then, 57301-35 had 50 added to their side numbers, so that they matched the last 3 digits of their 153 unit number.
There never was a 52351 and the West Yorks (now Northern) 155s are still 155s, 155 341-7, they weren't converted to 153s.

They were pretty unreliable right from the off and displayed quite noticeable body droop even when brand new. When they were taken off the Pompeys/Marches and replaced by 156s, we hoped we'd seen the last of them, but no, like a bad penny they came back, replacing the 156s, and after the 158s arrived, back again as 153s (some of them at least). As 155s they were only ever allocated to Canton. (the WR ones that is of course). They were used first on Cardiff-Brums for a while before moving over to Pompey/Marches plus a few local Bristol turns.
I can't remember if they were ever diagrammed past Taunton, but they regularly went at least that far west as well as to Brighton. On the Tauntons, one 155 replaced a 5 coach Mk 1 loco hauled set. The hauled set was 4 SKs and a BSK or similar, so the reduction in seats was significant. The 1725 Taunton used to leave TM full and standing, so you can imagine what the 155 was like when the changeover took place. Such is progress.
 
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I have a picture of a 155 near Exeter st Thomas (taken through the windscreen of a class 101) and another of one on Laira so they did venture down there, I have no idea if it was normal or I was just lucky.
 
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