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I went to Nottingham on Tuesday and was disappointed that the extensions were still not open.
As I still need to see five trams my next visit will not be in vain.
 
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The 11.30 Radio Nottingham news reported the rumour is that the extensions will open tomorrow. The confirmation of the opening date will be later. Tomorrow is still only a rumour.
 

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A bit too late, I was there last weekend and would of loved a trip to Beeston.
Great news though. The new trams look very nice with their hidden wheels.
 

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Travelled both routes mid-morning today. Quite a lot of families etc trying it out but not too crowded. Lots of NET staff wearing "happy to help" tabards although one just seemed to say "help"!
 
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And very good it is. Rode the first Toton Lane tram.

I was on the first one in the other direction. It was absolutely full by Chil(l)well High Road, lots of press and NET staff on board too.

It does appear that staff only found out in a briefing yesterday officially of the start date
 

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Going on Both lines hopefully on Thursday. If anyone can help with mileage/miles and chains it would be really appreciated :)
 

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Here's a package of reports from Notts TV on today's launch and possible scope for future expansion:

http://nottstv.com/categories/news/?bctid=4443723181001
"It's perhaps the most ambitious transport project in Britain" My goodness I knew Notts TV wasn't the finest journalism but what a ludicrously wrong statement. Mind you East Midlands Today wasn't much better yesterday, they almost seemed upset the tram was opening at last.

I'm glad to see it open anyway and look forward to riding it from Toton, it will hopefully prove some of its often misinformed doubters wrong.
 

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And me. I was there last Tuesday.
Yesterday I was in Grimsby!

I bet you were bored by "Transpennine Express" after Doncaster.
Did you go to see the German tall ship that was visiting?

Is it likely that any further extentions of the Nottingham tramway will be announced in the next year? Which line would be most likely to happen, Kimberley? Derby? Arnold? Airport?
 

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There seems to be some steam behind the Kimberley proposal, which is probably fairly easy technically unless they want to continue beyond the centre of Kimberley.

For Arnold I can't see any suitable alignment, except perhaps the remains of the Nottingham Suburban but that doesn't serve much in between.

Both Derby and the Airport would have long rural sections that aren't ideal for trams, and with the relatively slow access to Nottingham wouldn't be time-competitive for end to end journeys against trains or express coaches. I know there isn't an express coach or a train to the airport, but the fact there isn't itself says something about the size of the market.
 
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Despite mentioning it repeatedly and even showing illustrations with it running through the centre there are NO proposals whatsoever to run through Kimberley town centre.
The extension from Phoenix Park would run along former railway line to Blanchards Bakery at Watnall then use old lines to reach Nine Corners by Kimberley Brewery - this is a quarter mile downhill from the town centre. The grey area then remains as to how the tram reaches Giltbrook Retail Park (IKEA) from their as the railway line was covered by the A610 in the 1960s. The only solution is on road and that's one hell of a hill from IKEA to the Miners Welfare at the brow of the hill!
 

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BBC East Midlands continuing with their usual hatchet job on the Tram Project. 75% of their programmes are usually about rubbishing either the tram , train or the NHS. They are a disgrace at times!
 
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Is it just me reading it wrong, or is the downloadable PDF timetable here not consistent with the frequency guide, and makes no sense, i.e. on a Sunday, services towards Hucknall, every 15 minutes until 19:05, then it goes every 10 until 23:05!
 
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I can't work out which leaflet they are currently using....
But the online leaflet states M-F from Phoenix Park 0604 then 15 mins to 0703 then 7mins to 1010 then 10mins to 1502
The journey planner onsite has departures at 0604 ,0619, 0636, 0649, 0703, 0718 then 7/8mins(not 7) to 1010, 1020, 1032, 1041, 1052 then every 10mins.
Why the daft uneven departure times and 0703 to 0718 is hardly 7minutes...
I don't think they know what they are running....
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Is it just me reading it wrong, or is the downloadable PDF timetable here not consistent with the frequency guide, and makes no sense, i.e. on a Sunday, services towards Hucknall, every 15 minutes until 19:05, then it goes every 10 until 23:05!


Yes and on Sunday Evenings Trams leave Toton Lane every 10 until 2305 then every 15 until 2320!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I did the two new lines on Thursday. I was quite surprised as to how much of the former Great Central Main Line has been incorporated into the clifton South branch as I was always led to believe that most of the formation between Nottingham & Ruddington hqd been re-developed.
 

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Both Derby and the Airport would have long rural sections that aren't ideal for trams, and with the relatively slow access to Nottingham wouldn't be time-competitive for end to end journeys against trains or express coaches. I know there isn't an express coach or a train to the airport, but the fact there isn't itself says something about the size of the market.

RE: a coach - there used to be a bus running pretty direct, but prior to the A453 widening (which was only fully opened a few weeks ago) it kept getting stuck in the heavy traffic and therefore was rather unappealing. It's unsurprising that a RailLink bus has been reinstated between the Parkway and Airport within a matter of weeks of the A453 works being (broadly) finished.

With regards to the distance, at the moment that is certainly true, however in the medium term plan there are a couple of major developments in the pipeline which, if they happen, would change both the demand (from new residents and employees) and the distances involved.

The first development is essentially a new housing estate the size of Clifton right next door to Clifton (heading south west alongside the A453 corridor) taking you all the way down to Barton Lane which used to join the A453 at Barton-in-Fabis.
http://www.rushcliffe.gov.uk/media/.../Amendments to Policies Map_final_low res.pdf (Page 10 Printed, 11 Digital)

The second development is a proposed huge industrial estate/rail freight terminal planned north of East Midlands Airport (basically filling the land between Castle Donnington and the Airport / M1 South and East of Lockington. http://www.eastmidlandsgateway.co.uk/masterplan.php ).

There is also the planned HS2 station at Toton Sidings.

Depending on the exact route chosen you would then have an extension which runs:-

Clifton, multiple stops through "Clifton 2", Gotham, East Midlands Parkway, Kegworth, East Midlands Cargo, East Midlands Airport, Donington Park, Castle Donington, East Midlands Gateway.

Or potentially a pair of extensions :-

1. Clifton, multiple stops through "Clifton 2", Gotham, East Midlands Parkway, Kegworth, East Midlands Cargo, East Midlands Airport

2. Toton Lane, Toton HS2, Long Eaton, Sawley, East Midlands Gateway, Castle Donington, Donington Park, East Midlands Airport.

If you choose the Clifton only version:-
With the lengthy rural running the journey times here have the chance of being pretty quick, and if it's built during the construction of "Clifton 2" / "East Midlands Gateway" it stands a chance of attracting a fair number of employees at the new rail freight terminal to the new estate, provides a direct link to the airport for a significant part of the Nottingham population.

If you choose the pair, you've now connected the Airport near-directly to HS2 making it more attractive for journey's beyond the East Midlands, you've connected the QMC and University (particularly useful for there own international exchanges and visitors).

If you then consider tram trains would it be too wild to suggest a couple a link with the MML at Kegworth - therefore allowing tram-trains (or potentially "real trains" if you build the route through the airport segregated) to run from Derby and Loughbourgh (or further afield) direct to the airport, heck even Lincoln - Newark - Nottingham - Beeston - East Midlands Parkway - East Midlands Airport...

I did the two new lines on Thursday. I was quite surprised as to how much of the former Great Central Main Line has been incorporated into the clifton South branch as I was always led to believe that most of the formation between Nottingham & Ruddington hqd been re-developed.

The route through the Meadows has completely vanished - the only evidence I've found is a short gap in the "steps" on the embankment alongside the River Trent where the old bridge supports used to be.

South of the river it's a lot easier to follow the line - prior to the construction of Line 2 the embankment existed from the River to Cornonation Avenue (some of this was demolished to allow extra flood alleviation measures), it then continued all the way to Wilford Lane, then resumed south of Wilford Lane where you could join an unpaved footpath alongside it all the way to Ruddington Lane (by which time it was in a cutting). You've then got a nature reserve where the line does it's 90 degree turn under the A52, and south of there it's open fields - and the only non-tram development of any note south of the Trent - some new housing on Old Station Drive in Ruddington.
 

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Interesting to read of potential expansion options. Those behind the tram were very enthusiastic about further routes on Tuesday but whether there's the finance and the will is of course another matter.
 

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With regards to the distance, at the moment that is certainly true, however in the medium term plan there are a couple of major developments in the pipeline which, if they happen, would change both the demand (from new residents and employees) and the distances involved.

Interesting thoughts but I remain unconvinced. There's still about five miles of nothing between Barton and the M1, where a 45mph tram is trying to compete with road traffic that can probably now maintain 70mph most of the time. And while new developments can attract more passengers they also mean more stops and slow running. Options via the HS2 station would be even less direct, with the added cost of crossing the Trent as well as the M1.

East Midlands Airport isn't really of a size that justifies a fixed link - of British airports with similar passenger numbers only Newcastle has one, and that was because the Metro could easily be extended over a few miles of disused railway. As for long-distance traffic to the airport, that will be only a few price-sensitive individuals who find a cheap flight somewhere but aren't going to fork out for an expensive train journey.
 

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Since they would probably need new rolling stock for such a significant expansion anyway you could just order higher speed trams (that do and have existed in the past). 750Vdc overheads have proven suitable for up to 100mph running before now.


But anyway - the tram train proposals to Bingham, where would they connect the tram system to the railway?
 
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But anyway - the tram train proposals to Bingham, where would they connect the tram system to the railway?

There's no obvious place. I suspect any Bingham service would be a heavy rail extension of the Robin Hood Line, thereby reducing platform occupancy at Nottingham.

A problem with tram-trains in Nottingham is that the trams are narrower than elsewhere (2.5m I think vs 2.65m). All tram-train designs are 2.65m and a narrower one would need greater reach on its folding steps to provide a satisfactory platform stepping distance on shared tracks.
 

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I did the two new lines yesterday (29 August) Quite impressed, with good loadings, and standing passengers on some trams. Some were obviously having "first trips", so it remains to be seen if long term use is high.

"Next stop" announcements included "Nottingham Station for Nottingham Railway Station", which I found a bit amusing.

For anyone wanting to use the line to go and view Toton Yard, be aware that you will have a long walk - around ¾ mile. Turn left onto main road (Toton Lane) outside the tram terminus, cross road, and go down long, winding footpath. An easier route would be to use the A52 road over the north end of Toton Yard - BUT, unfortunately that bridge has no pedestrian access.
 
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