Engineering trains collide during possession near Cumnock in Ayrshire

[mbreckers]

http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/trains-crash-near-cumnock-in-ayrshire-1-3847304

Anyone know what happened here exactly? Aerial photo shows an engine in the middle of derailed wagons, so I cant imagine it was a head-on collision.

TWO trains collided today during engineering work on a line near Cumnock in Ayrshire.

No one was injured in the crash, but some 18 wagons on the trains derailed, with several left on their side and off the track.

One of the locomotives is believed to have run into the rear of the other train.

The line, which had been closed for the weekend for engineering work between Kilmarnock and Dumfries, is expected to remain shut for several days, preventing the resumption of passenger services on Monday.

There were reports a crane would be brought in to move the derailed wagons.

A spokesman for track owner Network Rail said: “At approximately 11:20am, in a Network Rail work site, two ballast carrying trains collided, resulting in the derailment of some wagons of each train.

“No-one was hurt in the incident but it has resulted in some track damage.

“Once the derailed wagons have been recovered the repair work will take approximately three days to complete.

“Therefore it is expected the line will remain closed for a number of days.

“During this time, passenger services will start and terminate at Dumfries and Kilmarnock, and freight traffic will be diverted via the west coast main line and Paisley.”

No one from Direct Rail Services, which operates the locomotive involved, was available for comment.

 

[mcmad]

try the third line of the article you quoted?

 

[Strathclyder]

66428 appears to be one of the locos involved, as per this photo from Alastair Dalton's Twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/AlastairDalton/status/627617482526863360/photo/1

Hope the driver is OK. That must have been a frightening experience.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Will it be financially viable for them to repair the loco? How likely is it that they'll be damage to the chassis, given how much force there must have been in involved in the crash to have pushed wagons off the track?

Will they repair any wagons that have been damaged or will it be cheaper to replace them?

 

[GB]

It was a relatively low speed collision but the reason for the carnage was because the train that was hit was empty and the train that did the hitting was fully loaded.

I fully expect the 66 to be repaired. As for the wagons, I'd imagine at leased a couple will be scrapped.

 

[najaB]

Will it be financially viable for them to repair the loco? How likely is it that they'll be damage to the chassis, given how much force there must have been in involved in the crash to have pushed wagons off the track?

Thing is, locomotives push and pull wagons for a living so the forces were most likely no more than it would see day to day.

 

[ainsworth74]

Glad the driver is okay that must have been terrifying to go through.

 

[swt_passenger]

It was a relatively low speed collision but the reason for the carnage ...

"Carnage", by definition, includes major loss of life. Yet another word that seems to be used for exaggeration these days...

 

[mbreckers]

"Carnage", by definition, includes major loss of life. Yet another word that seems to be used for exaggeration these days...

to be fair, given the aerial photo, if there were folk working nearby, or just happened to be passing on that footpath, there could have been loss of life

 

[Searle]

"Carnage", by definition, includes major loss of life. Yet another word that seems to be used for exaggeration these days...

You would have a fit if you saw the use of "Carnage" and "Mayhem" on Robot Wars back in the 2000's then.

 

[GB]

"Carnage", by definition, includes major loss of life. Yet another word that seems to be used for exaggeration these days...

Perhaps you should look up hyperbole. :roll:

 

[arabianights]

Anyone know exactly where it was? I'm reasonably local so would like to go and have a look (which I do not consider to be inappropriate given no one was hurt) - am trying to match up that aerial photo with google maps around Cumnock but no success so far, and that image on twitter doesn't have embedded GPS data like you might hope.

Edit: To answer my own question, I think it is here - I'm off to have a nosy.

 

[455driver]

So yet another misleading thread title, just for the Daily Fail effect! :roll:

But then I suppose-

'Engineers train in low speed collision'

Wouldn't sound so dramatic even though that is what is actually being reported! :roll:
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Will it be financially viable for them to repair the loco? How likely is it that they'll be damage to the chassis, given how much force there must have been in involved in the crash to have pushed wagons off the track?

The wagons weigh about 11 tonnes empty so the answer is 'very little force'!

Will they repair any wagons that have been damaged or will it be cheaper to replace them?

Some will be repaired, most of the damage looks superficial!
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to be fair, given the aerial photo, if there were folk working nearby, or just happened to be passing on that footpath, there could have been loss of life

But there wasn't and you don't know exactly what happened do you so you are guessing and assuming!

My guess would be that the loco and loaded train would probably have been doing about 15 or 20mph maximum so the wagons would have derailed relatively slowly, they wouldn't have flown off the track.

 

[Jamesb1974]

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[mbreckers]

But there wasn't and you don't know exactly what happened do you so you are guessing and assuming!

Apart from the fact the photo clearly shows a wagon lying completely across the footpath, therefore logically if someone happened to be standing in the same spot at the same time they would have been hurt

 

[furnessvale]

Apart from the fact the photo clearly shows a wagon lying completely across the footpath, therefore logically if someone happened to be standing in the same spot at the same time they would have been hurt

Indeed! The press had better rewrite their headlines,

"Miracle that entire Scottish football team narrowly escape death because they happen to be playing a friendly in South Korea rather than walking along a footpath in Ayrshire"

 

[mbreckers]

Indeed! The press had better rewrite their headlines,

"Miracle that entire Scottish football team narrowly escape death because they happen to be playing a friendly in South Korea rather than walking along a footpath in Ayrshire"

Don't be ridiculous, my point is that is there was someone working nearby, or on the footpath, they could have been injured.

 

[Domh245]

But as 455driver said, we don't know what speed the collision occured at. If it was a low speed collision as he said, then it would have taken a while (10-15 seconds) from the loco colliding to the wagon coming down on the footpath. I'm not sure about you, but if I saw a loco heading towards the stationary train, and it didn't look like it would stop, I would probably start moving away fairly quickly, if not when I first realised then immediately after the collision. You'd have to be pretty slow to not get out of the way

 

[455driver]

I'm not sure about you, but if I saw a loco heading towards the stationary train, and it didn't look like it would stop, I would probably start moving away fairly

But du yoof ov tudai wud get there fone out and video it so thay cin be famus on ewetoob!

 

[Zoidberg]

Network Rail Scotland Tweets ten days to get a crane in and shift the wagons, then three days to repair the track. Oh, dear.

Early indications are that a 1000t crane can be used to recover the derailed wagons. This is likely to take 10 days 2/4
2:55pm - 2 Aug 15

Once the wagons are removed it will take 3 days to repair the track. A temporary timetable will run til then 3/4
2:56pm - 2 Aug 15

 

[dave12435]

I am just pleased that nobody was badly injured and that the damage to the 66 looks relatively minor also

 

[Yabbadabba]

Apart from the fact the photo clearly shows a wagon lying completely across the footpath, therefore logically if someone happened to be standing in the same spot at the same time they would have been hurt

Then there would be a different headline for us to read and debate about, "people hurt or injured in train collision". There are always, if, buts and maybes and then there's the truth.

 

[bnm]

But as 455driver said, we don't know what speed the collision occured at. If it was a low speed collision as he said, then it would have taken a while (10-15 seconds) from the loco colliding to the wagon coming down on the footpath. I'm not sure about you, but if I saw a loco heading towards the stationary train, and it didn't look like it would stop, I would probably start moving away fairly quickly, if not when I first realised then immediately after the collision. You'd have to be pretty slow to not get out of the way

Even at low speed there is the potential for debris to hit unsuspecting people nearby. It doesn't have to be a whole wagon that needs to be avoided.

 

[Carlisle]

Network Rail Scotland Tweets ten days to get a crane in and shift the wagons, then three days to repair the track. Oh, dear.

Blimey,sorry to say at that pace it makes you wonder how on earth we coped during the wars etc with only a fraction of today's technology ?

 

[furnessvale]

Blimey,sorry to say at that pace it makes you wonder how on earth we coped during the wars etc with only a fraction of today's technology ?

How on earth did we manage without 1000T cranes?

When I first started work on the railway I knew a man who reinstalled the throat of St Pancras station in 24 hours after a German bomb took the lot out.

 

[arabianights]

Edit: To answer my own question, I think it is here - I'm off to have a nosy.

I can confirm:

a. Train is still there
b. But you won't get very close to it
c. And really it's not worth going

There was a reporter at the scene though, so there will be more pics on the news shortly I would think.
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But du yoof ov tudai wud get there fone out and video it so thay cin be famus on ewetoob!

Actually the yoof ov tudai (in as much as I encountered them, two lads on bikes) were keeping a very respectful distance and seemed confused as to what I was up to when I asked as to how much further I could drive but responded in a civilized manner

 

[theironroad]

This thread does not restore my faith in humanity, bitchy pettiness everywhere.....

 

[najaB]

This thread does not restore my faith in humanity, bitchy pettiness everywhere.....

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