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Caledonian Sleeper 30 July

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Peter KS

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I was a passenger on last night's 1M16 the 2044 Inverness to London Caledonian Sleeper

It started well, exactly on time, but 20 minutes into the journey when I had just finished my excellent cheese and biscuits - it all suddenly ground to a halt. We passengers were told this was due to an overheating engine.

We stopped for about half an hour and then crept forward at about 10 mph to Aviemore with excruciating noises coming from the brakes.

The crew mentioned 'failing' the train there and calling for coaches to take the 100 or so passengers directly to the south. At about midnight some of the passengers in the club car were told the plan was remain at Aviemore thus to turn the train into a hotel allowing everyone get some sleep. At some point a little later the unfortunate decision was made to reverse back to Inverness. This was accompanied by a series of jerks and alarming noises from the brakes which prevented restful sleep. Intermittently we moved north to stop somewhere about a mile south of Carrbridge.

We remained there until about 5 am. When the day dawned it revealed idyllic forest scenery and a gushing steam. An unexpected pleasure. Ordinarily this would have been a wonderful location for sleep but the jerks and noises resumed and eventually we reached the passing place at Slochd. I was informed by an 'expert' that this was a great place to be in train with dodgy brakes, either side of Slochd (elevation 1314 feet) the gradients are very steep. It was suggested that a train without working brakes would roll into Inverness station at over 100 mph if it hadn't derailed on one of the tight radius curves.

At this point I was disturbed to see a Scotrail employee rushing through the club car with a very large wooden 'scotch', its design based on the insights provided by the Armargh disaster.

Some American passengers, used to the low door steps which extend out automatically when the doors of American passenger trains are opened, proposed to leave the train towards the road that they could see in the distance. One of the truck drivers there would surely offer them a lift. The passengers would have to cross the active through railway track to reach the road. But American trains approach slowly making lots of noise so what could go wrong? A moment after these considerations the 0740 Inverness to King's Cross whooshed past. The reason we were going back to Inverness in the first place was to enable the stranded passengers to catch the 0740! Soon after this the down Sleeper cruelly raced past in the opposite direction. It was on time one of the train crew noted. A very positive point but possibly not quite the right time.

The Americans were dissuaded from jumping when one the crew pointed out rather unforgiving jagged granite boulders six feet below the door sill.

The train crew did an excellent job of soothing discontented passengers and disseminating in good faith what little (often contradictory) information they had. Other 'experts' added the discomforting information that the nearest loco which could move us was either in Motherwell or London.

This turned out to be incorrect as at least one loco (and according other witnesses, two locos) arrived from behind us to pull us back to Inverness. The process of attaching the one or possibly two locos to the north end of the train took far longer than anyone could possibly imagine.

However at 0915 we found ourselves moving again albeit away from our intended destination.

The train started slowly at first soon accelerated swiftly like a piano falling from a skyscraper and some passengers thought that the speed of the train was now over 100 mph as we descended toward Inverness station. The serviceability of the brakes was raised. A strange smell could be smelled which seemed to be brake fluid. Would leaking brake fluid smell of , well , brake fluid ? someone asked

We were informed that at that speed we should 'arrive' at Inverness at 0936, allowing a five minute connection for the 0941 train to Edinburgh. (Minus 45 seconds door closing time.)

Thus it was that we did arrive at Inverness at 0936, TWELVE HOURS AND FORTY FOUR MINUTES after we had left Inverness.

The Top Brass of the Caledonian Sleeper Company were standing on platform 1 wearing smart suits and apologetic expressions. It is very ironic that had we stopped to receive their apologies we would have missed our train and thus been delayed by at least more hour.

The Top Brass were very nearly knocked over as one hundred passengers, challenged to race a horse-shoe 100 meters course carrying suitcases in four minutes and fifteen seconds bore down on them.

I did not look back to see how many failed to catch the Edinburgh train but I think many did fail as Scotrail are set high standards of punctuality.

It was impolite of me not to stop to talk to the nice man in the suit. His body language did suggest he was open to input from his valued customers.

I would have asked him what sort of 'table-top' contingency planning exercises do they do. "What would we do if one of trains broke down here or there?

Who would be responsible for what? Do they test the system?

Does anyone at the Caledonian Sleeper Company read reports like Kentish Town ?

What sort of things similar-ish to Kentish Town could happen to a Caledonian Sleeper Company train.?

Who would have thought that a loco climbing 1300 feet in 20 miles would overheat where it overheated?

What if one of those Americans had been run down? What if they had bought their Visit UK Rail Card in New York state? I am guessing the legal action would have to be settled in New York State. Very keen lawyers there.

Just a few thoughts from a passenger who would be happy to use the Caledonian Sleeper again because of their conscientious and valiant staff. Lessons to learn for the Top Brass perhaps, I would hesitate to call them management on last night's performance.
 
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Just a few thoughts from a passenger who would be happy to use the Caledonian Sleeper again because of their conscientious and valiant staff. Lessons to learn for the Top Brass perhaps, I would hesitate to call them management on last night's performance.
Thanks very much for that report, and I'm glad that the team 'at the coalface' did what needed to be done to save the day (night?) and keep you as a customer.
 

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It is rather rare for trains to suffer wrong-side (ie. failed unsafe) brake failure. I would be surprised if the brakes had not failed safe in this instance. I shouldn't think any further movement would have been attempted should there be any suspicion that insufficient brake force was available.
 

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This is purely conjecture, but that sounds much more like a sticking brake failing to come off on at least one of the carriages, rather than a failure of the brakes to apply. As tsr says, a wrong side brake failure is very rare.

The brake pads on mark 3 carriages are well known to produce a distinctive smell when hot, that permeates through the air conditioning inlets into the passenger saloon, which would occur if they were rubbing against the wheel while the train was in motion.

The American passengers would only have been able to leave the train if they had climbed out of the droplight window in the upper part of the door. The central door locking fitted to these trains would prevent them from opening any of the external doors.

Very interesting to hear a detailed first hand account of what happened from a passengers' perspective, many thanks.
 
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I've just seen a 92 dragging sleeper coaches southbound through Carlisle (1745) - is it positioning to London?
 

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Presumably there was a quicker-than-normal release of the northbound 67 at Inverness which was what came to your rescue.
Looks like there is a 5Z11 Polmadie to Wembley

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O15340/2015/07/31/advanced

Question is what coaches are these? Have they nicked what would have worked one of the portions of the southbound lowland sleeper?

There's one spare half-set*, which I'm guessing is what made its way south.

*Although if Wikipedia is to be believed, CS only have 53 Mark 3 coaches, which means there's only five of those spare (53-(4*12)=5).
 
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Approx 10 hours late is ridiculous in this day and age, surely there should be more Thunderbirds based over the UK Rail network financed by a central pool of money from all TOCs.
 

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Approx 10 hours late is ridiculous in this day and age, surely there should be more Thunderbirds based over the UK Rail network financed by a central pool of money from all TOCs.
It's cheaper to do full refunds for the occasional trainload of passengers than to pay for a loco and driver to sit idle for the 99% of the time that they won't be needed.
 

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It's cheaper to do full refunds for the occasional trainload of passengers...

However, apply the rule-of-thumb that each delayed pax will tell 6 others that the Sleeper is an omnishambles, plus multiplying effect of on-line media as pax tweet pics of the overflowing toilets etc. and that economic judgement looks more doubtful.
 

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However, apply the rule-of-thumb that each delayed pax will tell 6 others that the Sleeper is an omnishambles, plus multiplying effect of on-line media as pax tweet pics of the overflowing toilets etc. and that economic judgement looks more doubtful.
I believe the original suggestion was for the Thunderbirds to be available for all TOCs not just Caledonian Sleeper. If we're limiting it to just the Sleeper there is near-zero incentive for the other TOCs to contribute any funding.
 

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Whilst perhaps not very amusing for the OP, an excellent report with just the right balance of fact and dry humour! :lol:

British Rail managed to preside over quite a few high profile farces during its existence, but the privatised operators really are becoming experts at it. In some cases, such as this, now and again they really do provide a virtuoso performance.
 

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What an absolute farce. This would never have happened under First Scotrail as they had very good contingency already worked out for incidents like these. Serco management are clueless when things go wrong and the fact is they are being saved by their very professional front line staff who are able to act quickly to reassure passengers. Unfortunately, they have no say in where the train should be moved to when things go wrong. If they had they would have berthed the train at Aviemore and let people have a semi decent sleep before moving them on to the Kings Cross train. The decision to try and limp the train back to Inverness was bizarre to say the least.
How many spectacular failures like this does it take to destroy the reputation of the overnight sleepers? Probably not that many more.
 

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If the train had been carrying livestock, the RSPCA would now be arranging the prosecution of Serco
 

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If the train had been carrying livestock, the RSPCA would now be arranging the prosecution of Serco
While I appreciate good hyperbole as much as the next guy, the total Inverness to Inverness journey time was not much longer than the expected Inverness to London journey and the train had water, food and power the whole time. So the only 'hardship' or 'cruelty' the passengers suffered was the delay and disturbed sleep.
 

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For real? You must work for the railways. What a stupid nonsense comment to make.

I do work for the railways and I agree with them. Where is the "cruelty"?!? It's a big inconvenience but in a fully-heated, powered, air conditioned, hotel on wheels with a bar and restaurant, hardly like chickens in cages is it?!?
 

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I don't work for the railway and I'm struggling to see how the hyperbole of some of the last few posts is remotely justified...
 

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Let's look at it this way. You have paid Serco CS lots of your money to get you from one end of the country to the other. Nearly 13 hours later you arrive back where you started. In that time you had a bed, food, liquid and helpful staff to assist you but it doesn't take away from the fact you are still back in Inverness when you really should be continuing your business in London. How many of the passengers on board have suffered financial loss due to missed connections, appointments, interviews, days off work etc etc the list goes on.
The thing is though, nobody was in danger and nobody got hurt. That's an inconvenience not a crisis. I can think of worse things than to be sleeping on a train in a beautiful Highland location. Talk of cruelty and similarities to caged animals is just nonsense.
 

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I miss ScotRail running the sleeper - the spectacular failures so far (not just the technical issues of the 92s and mk3s not getting along!) really put me off...
 

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And thats before we start on the truly shambolic mess some areas of the ticketing and reservations for this tourist loving, local pax niglecting farse are in.
 
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