Class156 & 158 Bogie Overhaul

[overthewater]

I don't know how much of an interest this might be to people:

It would seem those 156 are not going anywhere.

http://www.publiccontractsscotland.gov.uk/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=JUL215775&catID=

Contract(s) commencement 1st April 2016
Lot1
Overhaul of Class 156 bogies required in accordance with Specification: AT/CI0734 Issue 1, Revision A – Class 150, 153 & 156 DMU Bogie Overhaul types BP38,P3-10 & BT38
Initial contract duration to 31st Dec 2019 covering a requirement of 22 units bogie overhauls
Lot2
Overhaul of Class 158 bogies required in accordance with Specification: AT/VI0064-S2 Issue 1, Revision A – Class 158 Diesel Multiple Units C4 and C4X Supplementary Overhaul Instruction Scotrail. Job UFS0050
Additional works to be completed during overhaul:-
Modification of axle box sand bracket fixings as per AT-C0-2204225 Issue A - Additional Drilling For Mounting Sander Bogie Bracket Class 158
Brake Callipers overhauled as per Sabre spec EI-131
Initial contract duration to 31st Dec 2018 covering a requirement of 5 units bogie overhauls
Supplier(s)required to ensure the following documents are applied within the Specification to the current revision:
WOSS612/10 Issue 7 – Wheelset Overhaul
TN/TS0574 Issue 5 – Wheelset Off-Vehicle Repair
CR/CI0567 Issue 4, Revision A - Gmeinder Final Drive Overhaul
TU/TS0075 Issue 3, Revision A - Cardan shaft Overhaul
Suppliers must have access to a suitable facility to complete the work and be accredited to ISO9001:2008 (UKAS approved) along with RISAS for safety critical components including wheelsets.
Bogies will require uplifted and redelivered to Glasgow or Edinburgh depots.
CPV: 50222000.

 

[northwichcat]

It would seem those 156 are not going anywhere.

Abellio's winning franchise bid assumed all the Sprinters would remain with Scotrail, with all the Turbostars being released by the introduction of EMUs and HSTs.

However, Transport Scotland decided to alter that so the units released would be

• 10 x 2 car 156s
• 8 x 2 car 158s
• 29 x 3 car 170s

http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk...Redacted Franchise Agreement - CU version.pdf

However, given Scotrail have written off a 156, I think it may now be 9 x 156s released.

 

[455driver]

However, given Scotrail have written off a 156, I think it may now be 9 x 156s released.

Has it been written off?
It has been removed from the active pool because it isn't active anymore and leaving it in the active pool would effect the availability figures for that depots 156s!
If it is written off why is it still inside at Springburn? Is it normal to waste valuable interior space on a scrap asset?
If it has been written off why hasn't it been stripped for bits and broken up?

 

[Clarence Yard]

It isn't at Springburn, it is at Brodies at Kilmarnock where it was being repaired and has a new owner, having been bought from the insurance company.

Scotrail (old) found that the repairs exceeded what the insurance value was and the insurance company wanted to write it off. The ROSCO was paid the insurance money and the insurance company has now sold the unit on, reportedly to a well known group who also own a few HSTs. It has never been part of Scotrail (new) fleet of cl.156.

It is quite badly water damaged but repairable, at a price. It is reported that other groups were after it but they weren't quick enough. Someone else got there First!

 

[455driver]

Thanks for the answer Clarence, so it is an insurance write off rather than a full write off and will be back in service soon, I was close as to the location!

 

[MCR247]

It isn't at Springburn, it is at Brodies at Kilmarnock where it was being repaired and has a new owner, having been bought from the insurance company.



Scotrail (old) found that the repairs exceeded what the insurance value was and the insurance company wanted to write it off. The ROSCO was paid the insurance money and the insurance company has now sold the unit on, reportedly to a well known group who also own a few HSTs. It has never been part of Scotrail (new) fleet of cl.156.



It is quite badly water damaged but repairable, at a price. It is reported that other groups were after it but they weren't quick enough. Someone else got there First!

Thank you for the informative post

 

[fgwrich]

It isn't at Springburn, it is at Brodies at Kilmarnock where it was being repaired and has a new owner, having been bought from the insurance company.

Scotrail (old) found that the repairs exceeded what the insurance value was and the insurance company wanted to write it off. The ROSCO was paid the insurance money and the insurance company has now sold the unit on, reportedly to a well known group who also own a few HSTs. It has never been part of Scotrail (new) fleet of cl.156.

It is quite badly water damaged but repairable, at a price. It is reported that other groups were after it but they weren't quick enough. Someone else got there First!

Hmm. A well known group who own a few HSTs. Interesting post, Thanks Clarence, I wonder where it's future may lie with next then?

 

[gimmea50anyday]

It isn't at Springburn, it is at Brodies at Kilmarnock where it was being repaired and has a new owner,

Someone else got there First!

Capital F being a clue perhaps?....

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Capital F being a clue perhaps?....

I thought the same... Surprised this wasn't mentioned in the dedicated 156478(?) thread!

Seems odd that that particular company would buy it, as they no longer run any franchise that operates 156s*.

*=TPE hire-ins notwithstanding.

 

[northwichcat]

It is quite badly water damaged but repairable, at a price. It is reported that other groups were after it but they weren't quick enough. Someone else got there First!

So is it true that £200,000 of work was carried out trying to fix it before the insurance company declared it a write-off?
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Seems odd that that particular company would buy it, as they no longer run any franchise that operates 156s*.

Potentially money to be made from leasing it out even if First can't find a use for it, given DMUs aren't in plentiful supply at the moment.

First are shortlisted for the next Anglia franchise.

 

[fgwrich]

So is it true that £200,000 of work was carried out trying to fix it before the insurance company declared it a write-off?
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Potentially money to be made from leasing it out even if First can't find a use for it, given DMUs aren't in plentiful supply at the moment.

First are shortlisted for the next Anglia franchise.

A potential shoe-in for Anglia or even potential for GW I wonder? Yes it really would be in a class of it's own in GW land but then as are technically the 150/0s.

 

[BantamMenace]

Maybe they're bidding for Northern?

 

[sprinterguy]

Maybe they're bidding for Northern?

They're not. Abellio, Arriva and Govia/Keolis are the three shortlisted bidders for the Northern franchise.

 

[northwichcat]

They're not. Abellio, Arriva and Govia/Keolis are the three shortlisted bidders for the Northern franchise.

It's Govia bidding for Northern as Govia Northern Limited. Keolis Go-Ahead Limited (65% Keolis) are bidding for TPE.

 

[sprinterguy]

It's Govia bidding for Northern as Govia Northern Limited. Keolis Go-Ahead Limited (65% Keolis) are bidding for TPE.

True, should have remembered that Govia is already a joint venture between Go-Ahead and Keolis (It would have been more accurate if I had written "Go-Ahead/Keolis" instead).

 

[GM228]

Thanks for the answer Clarence, so it is an insurance write off rather than a full write off and will be back in service soon, I was close as to the location!

If a car was involved in an insurance write off it must be striped/scraped and can't be re-insured in the future, so how would that affect the 156 if that's the case?

 

[Bletchleyite]

That isnt the case, though it can be harder to insure.

 

[Emblematic]

It can be the case for cars, depends on the write-off category. The worst two categories do not allow the vehicle to be registered again, they differ in what components are allowed to be re-used on other vehicles.
The car write-off process is standardised and legislated, as thousands of write-offs occur every year. For a train, it's case by case as each event is unusual, unique in character and the vehicle of much higher value.

 

[route:oxford]

If a car was involved in an insurance write off it must be striped/scraped and can't be re-insured in the future, so how would that affect the 156 if that's the case?

It's the difference between insurance companies being embarrassed into a policy after a number of high profile deaths following "cut 'n shut" bodges and an organisation that insures an item of high value via a Lloyds specialist.

This will be interesting. Whichever organisation was First to snap up the unit has, assumming it can be repaired for a reasonable cost, acquired a very useful asset.

 

[455driver]

If a car was involved in an insurance write off it must be striped/scraped and can't be re-insured in the future

Wrong, completely and absolutely wrong!
There are 4 categories of insurance write off (for cars)
cat A- car must be destroyed, no parts can be reused.
cat B- car must be destroyed but certain parts can be removed for reuse.
cat C- car can be repaired but insurance company has decided that repair would not be cost effective. Car will require a VIC check if repaired.
cat D- car can be repaired but has been written off as cost of repair (using new parts) would be higher than retail value of car. Easy repair for home mechanic using recovered parts, I have done a few myself, some will require a VIC check but most wont!

 

[DarloRich]

Are these bogie overhauls not just a standard traction & rolling stock lifestyle event?

So is it true that £200,000 of work was carried out trying to fix it before the insurance company declared it a write-off?

Probably - £200k wont buy you much in railway terms

 

[route:oxford]

Probably - £200k wont buy you much in railway terms

Drag to works, secure storage, drain and disposal of contaminated oils and diesel, full assessment and report. That's £200K away already.