Cumbrian Coast Loco Hauled Stock

[bb21]

9710 get in the action. We can hope

 

[Smudger105e]

The DBSO sign off (9707 not 9710 as i previously mentioned) to admit it to traffic is imminent, as is the arrival of 9705.

 

[bb21]

Anyone able to confirm what the final positions were with regard to the two trains yesterday, and operations today? I might give them a spin tomorrow if 37218 is still about. Not often you still get a chance to bag a new 37/0 these days.

Looks like problems with the train on the other rake too yesterday with the second northbound journey caped at Silecroft. The 0515 seems to have restarted at Ulverston, and it seems that the stock came ECS from Kingmoor direct down the WCML, so I assume 218+409 on that? All very confusing.

 

[43094]

37218/402 end up at BIF tonight - 37409/606 at Carlisle.....

 

[JonathanH]

37218/402 end up at BIF tonight - 37409/606 at Carlisle.....

37409 replaced by 37423 for the Saturday workings. Otherwise as above.

 

[D6975]

Anyone able to confirm what the final positions were with regard to the two trains yesterday, and operations today? I might give them a spin tomorrow if 37218 is still about. Not often you still get a chance to bag a new 37/0 these days.

Looks like problems with the train on the other rake too yesterday with the second northbound journey caped at Silecroft. The 0515 seems to have restarted at Ulverston, and it seems that the stock came ECS from Kingmoor direct down the WCML, so I assume 218+409 on that? All very confusing.

Yes, I was there on Thursday, absolute shambles. I was supposed to be on the 05.15 which was cancelled and did as you said.
So I hung around in Carlisle, had a hearty breakfast and did the 0842 down with 409, then 423 up on the 11.38. 423 failed at milepost 50 3/4 between Silecroft and Bootle. Bert managed to fire up 423 after 40 mins of trying, but it shut down again immediately. We then went back to Barrow (and no, it doesn't show on RTT, or didn't last I checked). Normals were chucked off at Millom to do a unit back up towards Carlisle, so from there to Barrow it was a railtour - cranks only. We didn't stop at most stations, there wasn't a train due as we weren't in a normal path. I gave up at that point and caught the 185 to Preston, it was the last day of my NW rover.

One small consolation as a fellow basher pointed out - we did the trailing crossover at Silecroft. How rare that?

 

[Whistler40145]

Seems to be quite a few gremlins with 37423, she's not a very healthy locomotive.

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

I was at Carlisle on Thursday afternoon, on a steam charter and hoping to see one of the loco hauled trains, as mentioned above, there did seem to be problems. I noticed a load of people around 1545 hrs waiting for a Bus to Workington, but then at 1631 hrs, there was a 2 coach sprinter or super sprinter that was quite busy going through to Barrow.

 

[47802]

Time we got rid of this ridiculous expensive nonsense either put a modern loco on i.e. 68 or better still go back to DMU operation even if that reduces the extra capacity being freed up by the 319's.


Having got some photo's a Carnforth a week ago on the Saturday working to Lancaster, from a Rail Enthusiast viewpoint yes it was great, from a 21st century railway viewpoint it looked pathetic, 40 year old coaches with prehistoric loco on each end which as old as me. I believe it broke down on the return journey as well


We have 68's on Scotrail despite the fact its only a peak time service, yet we are sticking clapped out 50 year old loco's on an intensive Northern Service.

 

[yorksrob]

Time we got rid of this ridiculous expensive nonsense either put a modern loco on i.e. 68 or better still go back to DMU operation even if that reduces the extra capacity being freed up by the 319's.


Having got some photo's a Carnforth a week ago on the Saturday working to Lancaster, from a Rail Enthusiast viewpoint yes it was great, from a 21st century railway viewpoint it looked pathetic, 40 year old coaches with prehistoric loco on each end which as old as me. I believe it broke down on the return journey as well


We have 68's on Scotrail despite the fact its only a peak time service, yet we are sticking clapped out 50 year old loco's on an intensive Northern Service.

As a passenger who uses the line for non-railway related leisure activities, I'm far less concerned about how old a carriage may or may not look, and far more interested in adequate capacity and a suitable level of comfort on the route.

The loco trains are certainly an improvement on the leaky 153's and 142's that I have had on occasions in the past.

 

[47802]

As a passenger who uses the line for non-railway related leisure activities, I'm far less concerned about how old a carriage may or may not look, and far more interested in adequate capacity and a suitable level of comfort on the route.

The loco trains are certainly an improvement on the leaky 153's and 142's that I have had on occasions in the past.

Not if they are more unreliable they aren't, if your a commuter there is nothing worse than an unreliable train service.

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

Time we got rid of this ridiculous expensive nonsense either put a modern loco on i.e. 68 or better still go back to DMU operation even if that reduces the extra capacity being freed up by the 319's.


Having got some photo's a Carnforth a week ago on the Saturday working to Lancaster, from a Rail Enthusiast viewpoint yes it was great, from a 21st century railway viewpoint it looked pathetic, 40 year old coaches with prehistoric loco on each end which as old as me. I believe it broke down on the return journey as well


We have 68's on Scotrail despite the fact its only a peak time service, yet we are sticking clapped out 50 year old loco's on an intensive Northern Service.

As the age of rolling stock comes up frequently on the forum, especially in relation to loco-hauled, I'd be interested to know what you think the maximum age of stock should be before it's replaced? 10yrs? 20? ...but not 50? Comfort should be a factor, and in my opinion the LHCS on the Cumbrian is more comfortable than any alternative, as well as reliability.

 

[yorksrob]

Not if they are more unreliable they aren't, if your a commuter there is nothing worse than an unreliable train service.

That may be true, however I've had far more 156's cancelled on me on that route due to staffing issues than mechanical failures.

Plus whatever loco's you use, I doubt the MK2's will be less reliable than a unit, as there's less to go wrong.

 

[berneyarms]

Not if they are more unreliable they aren't, if your a commuter there is nothing worse than an unreliable train service.

And have they actually been any more unreliable than the trains they replaced, apart from the initial two days?

 

[47802]

As the age of rolling stock comes up frequently on the forum, especially in relation to loco-hauled, I'd be interested to know what you think the maximum age of stock should be before it's replaced? 10yrs? 20? ...but not 50? Comfort should be a factor, and in my opinion the LHCS on the Cumbrian is more comfortable than any alternative, as well as reliability.

Most rolling stock is designed for a lifespan or around 30 to 40 years and that's what should be aimed for, in the case of HST's which have been heavily refurbished and re engined longer may be acceptable, although unlike many on here I think its about time they replaced.

As for reliability of the 37's yes it will interesting to see some stats on that compared to say northern 156's

 

[berneyarms]

Most rolling stock is designed for a lifespan or around 30 to 40 years and that's what should be aimed for, in the case of HST's which have been heavily refurbished and re engined longer may be acceptable, although unlike many on here I think its about time they replaced.

As for reliability of the 37's yes it will interesting to see some stats on that compared to say northern 156's

With respect if you can't back your fairly direct statements up with statistics that show the trains are inherently unreliable, it's really hard to take these posts any way seriously.

It would appear that you're basing your statements on nothing more than conjecture and personal opinion rather than actual facts.

 

[47802]

With respect if you can't back your fairly direct statements up with statistics that show the trains are inherently unreliable, it's really hard to take these posts any way seriously.

It would appear that you're basing your statements on nothing more than conjecture and personal opinion rather than actual facts.

So there were problems on Thursday 2nd, then there problems with both the 08-45 Barrow Carlisle as well as the 17-31 ex Lancaster on Saturday 4th both Loco issues I believe

I will be keeping an eye on these over the next couple of months I very much doubt it will be difficult to demonstrate that this junk should not be working these services.

 

[yorksrob]

Most rolling stock is designed for a lifespan or around 30 to 40 years and that's what should be aimed for, in the case of HST's which have been heavily refurbished and re engined longer may be acceptable, although unlike many on here I think its about time they replaced.

As for reliability of the 37's yes it will interesting to see some stats on that compared to say northern 156's

There's no hard and fast rule on the age of rolling stock. The REP motor coaches only lasted around twenty years, whereas the Isle of Wight stock is over seventy. Capacity and suitability in terms of comfort are far more important to the travelling public.

Mk 2's occupy the sweet spot of being InterCity quality whilst being short enough to be 'go anywhere' on the network. Unless someone starts building new DMU's, they will continue to be a good solution to capacity problems on the regional railway.

 

[30907]

The REP motor coaches only lasted around twenty years.

But aren't the traction motors still going strong (well, going....) under 442s? And all the rest of the Bournemouth stock was 10 years or so older which complicated matters - most Mk I emus lasted the full 40 years, as did SR era stock, in intensive use.

 

[yorksrob]

But aren't the traction motors still going strong (well, going....) under 442s? And all the rest of the Bournemouth stock was 10 years or so older which complicated matters - most Mk I emus lasted the full 40 years, as did SR era stock, in intensive use.

Correct on all counts.

Having grown up in Southern territory, I find anything less than forty years a bit of a waste of resources!

 

[enrag2000]

So there were problems on Thursday 2nd, then there problems with both the 08-45 Barrow Carlisle as well as the 17-31 ex Lancaster on Saturday 4th both Loco issues I believe

I will be keeping an eye on these over the next couple of months I very much doubt it will be difficult to demonstrate that this junk should not be working these services.

Monday 6th: 05:46 Barrow-In-Furness to Carlisle due 08:33 This train will be cancelled.
This is due to a train fault.
We are sorry for the cancellation of the service today. Please travel on the next available service.

 

[bb21]

Anyone know if any swaps took place today, noting the disruption on Saturday and the cancellation above today?
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Guard on the 1004 just announced that it would carry on as the 1138 at Barrow so looks like the other set is completely busted.

 

[47802]

Anyone know if any swaps took place today, noting the disruption on Saturday and the cancellation above today?
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Guard on the 1004 just announced that it would carry on as the 1138 at Barrow so looks like the other set is completely busted.

08-42 Carlisle - Barrow also cancelled

 

[sprinterguy]

08-42 Carlisle - Barrow also cancelled

Today's cancellations would appear to affect the same set that suffered problems on Saturday. If it is indeed a loco issue then it is unfortunate that DRS have been unable to source a replacement class 37 before Monday morning.

Operating in top and tail formation should have been able to offer some additional redundancy if the fault was only concerning one locomotive, so I wonder what the problem is. Does anybody know if the failed set remains stabled at Barrow today?

 

[47802]

Today's cancellations would appear to affect the same set that suffered problems on Saturday. If it is indeed a loco issue then it is unfortunate that DRS have been unable to source a replacement class 37 before Monday morning.

Operating in top and tail formation should have been able to offer some additional redundancy if the fault was only concerning one locomotive, so I wonder what the problem is. Does anybody know if the failed set remains stabled at Barrow today?

According to WNXX it was some kind of door issue and the train went ECS to Carlisle but then 606 failed on route, and you wonder why I'm not in favour of these trains

 

[yorksrob]

According to WNXX it was some kind of door issue and the train went ECS to Carlisle but then 606 failed on route, and you wonder why I'm not in favour of these trains

Would seem like overkill to fail a whole train on a door issue, particularly as there are lots of others.

Virgin Cross Country used to lock the offending carriage out of use back in the day, which whilst annoying, was better than a cancellation.

 

[Smudger105e]

Would seem like overkill to fail a whole train on a door issue, particularly as there are lots of others.

Virgin Cross Country used to lock the offending carriage out of use back in the day, which whilst annoying, was better than a cancellation.

But the issue could have been a CDL issue or something else that could not be cured by locking one door?

 

[bb21]

153360 put on the 1437. Looks fun with all those people fighting for seats, and I dread to think what would happen at Sellafield.

 

[D6975]

I was on the Cumbrian coast several days over the past couple of weeks.
The coaches are very nice inside, quite tidy (BSOs excepted), but I didn't sit in a single coach that had fully operational air-con. It got very hot and stuffy at times, particularly on the 14.37 after Sellafield, the train fills up, a 153 simply isn't enough. People will be left on the platform tonight. The 14.35 also fills up at Sellafield, very busy all the way to Askam.

 

[bb21]

I guess that's all Northern's got available.