That's a good point. What makes NR staff different from any other government employee who has had a salary increase cap?
They're not willing to sit back and accept paltry pay rises and a risk in job security.
That's a good point. What makes NR staff different from any other government employee who has had a salary increase cap?
That's a good point. What makes NR staff different from any other government employee who has had a salary increase cap?
Was it 2 or 3%? I can't recall. I do know they were offered 0% or a slim (something like 1%) with removal of terms and conditions. Bit bizarre really. Especially given that the PM himself said that Britain deserves a Pay rise.
SPADTrap:2165367 said:I can see why strikes frustrate the travelling public but phrases like 'so they can have more money' are misguided at best. How did the general population get turned against people fighting for good terms and conditions? When did people start just 'accepting' what they're given rather than try themselves for something better, then go on the attack at those who are still 'fighting' for those terms everyone else threw away?![]()
Surely as Network Rail is under European directive a state organisation Pay should be capped at a max of 1% in line with other public asector workers nurses, teachers etc?
Probably when the RMT leaders started making ridiculous claims, criticizing NWR whenever they did anything at all, and when they started to seem to be striking every other week. I agree that strikes should be allowed, but I'd imagine that in the past few years, a lot of people have started thinking that there are way too many.
Probably when the RMT leaders started making ridiculous claims, criticizing NWR whenever they did anything at all, and when they started to seem to be striking every other week. I agree that strikes should be allowed, but I'd imagine that in the past few years, a lot of people have started thinking that there are way too many.
think if they had offered 1% we would not be in this position. the current "offer" is 0%
Last Railway Operations Strike......1992/94
Current offer also includes no compulsory redundancies for 12 months. Would employees prefer a small 1% rise and the redundancies condition removed?
Current offer also includes no compulsory redundancies for 12 months. Would employees prefer a small 1% rise and the redundancies condition removed?
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But TOCs have been on strike in probably ever area since. Joe Public gets disrupted whether it's signalers, drivers or conductors (except on DOO routes) on strike.
When do people think the strike might be(weekday/weekend or bank holiday)? If I was a union man I'd want to cause as much chaos as possible to get maximum impact, so would do it on a weekday.
I can see unions being vary wary of this.Newly appointed Business Secretary Sajid Javid has said there will be "significant changes" to strike laws under the new Conservative government.
A strike affecting essential public services will need the backing of 40% of eligible union members under government plans, he said.
Currently, a strike is valid if backed by a majority of those balloted.
Unions said the plans "will make legal strikes close to impossible".
Mr Javid told the BBC's Today programme: "We've already made clear, in terms of strike laws, that there will be some significant changes... it will be a priority of ours.
"We need to update our strike laws. We've never hidden away the changes we want to make. I think it's essential to make these changes," he added.
A strike affecting health, transport, fire services or schools will need to be backed by 40% of eligible union members.
There will also need to be a minimum 50% turnout in strike ballots.
The government will also lift restrictions on the use of agency staff to replace striking workers, he said.
The changes to the law are to be announced in the Queen's Speech, he added, which will take place later this month.
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I can see unions being vary wary of this.
Still astounds me that a rather large percentage couldn't be bothered to vote in the first place. Muppets!
Surely it doesnt matter in this case as that threshold has been met? 60% response with 80% saying yes? Makes 48% of the eligible total???
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- 2015 A £500 non-consolidated lump sum payment.
- 2016, 2017, 2018 - An RPI level of inflation increase in pay would be applied for each year.
- The No Compulsory Redundancy commitment would be extended until 31st December 2016.
Yes. So the government can reject the following as nonsense using a recent ballot result from the RMT as evidence:
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The RMT demands are as follows:
Are you seriously trying to tell me that if your office manager was to come to you with a bona fide pay offer which you asked for and he offered you 0% and made your job that little bit more fragile, you would be happy with this and your productivity would soar?
That's not what the union wants, that is what was offered.
I'm sure this will be the first of many strikes as the unions vent their anger at the British public democratically voting against their party. If Labour had won there would have been no extra money and yet there would have been no strike as even the unions aren't stupid enough to strike (usually) right after a Labour win.
That being said and despite me being totally opposed to unions, the offer, if it's what is being reported, is not exactly amazing so it's no wonder staff feel so aggrieved. Compared to many of the ridiculous union strike ballots this one does seem to have some merit.
Actually that's a common scenario in office environments for struggling companies.
I can't do a flow chart on here but a typical chain of events would be:
1. Company suffers 10% cut in workload
2. Company makes 20% of employees redundant and freezes pay for the rest or even ask people to take a pay cut
3. Existing employees finish up doing additional work and find it impossible to do it within their contracted hours so finish up doing additional unpaid hours because they fear losing their job if they don't.
Then when things begin to pick up new employee(s) join at market rate salaries despite existing employees being below market rate due to pay freezes but the budget for additional staffing costs gets concentrated on much needed extra staff opposed to much needed pay rises for existing staff.
So yes productivity does increase with pay freezes because the least productive employees get made redundant and remaining employees fear they'll be next to do if they don't go the extra mile.
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I'm sure this will be the first of many strikes as the unions vent their anger at the British public democratically voting against their party. If Labour had won there would have been no extra money and yet there would have been no strike as even the unions aren't stupid enough to strike (usually) right after a Labour win.
That being said and despite me being totally opposed to unions, the offer, if it's what is being reported, is not exactly amazing so it's no wonder staff feel so aggrieved. Compared to many of the ridiculous union strike ballots this one does seem to have some merit.
Still astounds me that a rather large percentage couldn't be bothered to vote in the first place. Muppets!