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Newspaper readership by political party support (YouGov)

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The Sun supported Labour during the Blair years. But this year it has come out for the Tories in England and the SNP in Scotland, which looks like nothing more than an anti-Labour campaign.

Not just this year the sun backed the Tories in 2010 as well .

I do find it interesting that the Sun is saying vote Tories to stop SNP controlling Westminster . But the Scottish Sun is saying vote SNP .

I actually found a Sun the other day on a train and started reading it but the bias was unbearable and I had to stop .
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I do not believe polls are accurate or even a vague necessity, am I entitled to have that opinion without your sniping or not ?

No you continue with your believe despite the fact that polls will always be carried out and at times have been shown to be accurate .

My only real question is if you feel that way why come into a thread about polls .
 
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Are we allowed to comment on a thread only if we follow one point of view then ?

No you are allowed to do as you please within the rules of the forum obviously . It however seems bizarre to me that you would come into a thread and waste your time reading and commenting on a matter that you believe to be so inaccurate and non essential . It would be like me going to Church on Sunday morning to question the Vicar on the accuracy of the Bible after every Amen . I actually value my Sunday morning far more than to waste my time in that manner .

Prime example . I dont wish to get into protracted debate and discussion with regards to who I should vote for in the general election as I have little concern for what people on an internet forum think of my voting choices . For that reason I have steered clear of the General Election thread .

I also have very little interest in Cats and dont really like them so I have no intention to make any comment in the Cat Cafe Thread .
 
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Are we allowed to comment on a thread only if we follow one point of view then ?

Once again you interpret people disagreeing with you as people telling you you aren't allowed to comment.

You're allowed to comment. Equally we're allowed to tell you why you're wrong. By your logic your post would be infringing the right of the pollsters to take polls in the first place, but disagreement is not censorship so obviously it would be stupid to interpret it that way.
 

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Poll for the Guardian claims UKIP support has dropped while the Daily Express claims UKIP have experienced a late surge.

Daily Record and Daily Mirror have front pages urging people to vote out Cameron, while Daily Mail have front page urging people not to allow Miliband to get in to No10. While The Star says never minds the polls and shows the leaders drinking beer.

http://i100.independent.co.uk/artic...s-have-been-up-to-on-election-day--lk3NAcligZ
 
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Once again you interpret people disagreeing with you as people telling you you aren't allowed to comment.

You're allowed to comment. Equally we're allowed to tell you why you're wrong. By your logic your post would be infringing the right of the pollsters to take polls in the first place, but disagreement is not censorship so obviously it would be stupid to interpret it that way.

You took the question too literally, I think it was rhetorical.
 

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On the rare occasion I buy a paper it's the Independent, I vote Lib Dem to keep the SNP out but would vote Labour if I thought they had a realistic chance of winning in my constituency.
 

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I actually found a Sun the other day on a train and started reading it but the bias was unbearable and I had to stop .

The only possible use would be if the loo had run out of toilet paper.:lol:

There's an old saying along the lines of 'keep your friends close and your enemies even closer' which chimes with my own political philosophy. Hence I read the Times and Telegraph every day, along with the i. The Guardian I buy on a Saturday and occasionally during the week, but I find some of its regular contributors smug and boring. I hate people who, knowing me a little, say 'oh, you must be a Guardian reader'. I know many people who only read the Guardian and Observer, and their views on almost everything are absolutely predictable, even though I may basically agree with a lot of them.

I also adore good political cartoons and, in Peter Brookes, the Times has the best in my lifetime imo. Matt in the Telegraph for less overtly political stuff always hite the nail on the head too.
 

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I do find it interesting that the Sun is saying vote Tories to stop SNP controlling Westminster . But the Scottish Sun is saying vote SNP .

I actually found a Sun the other day on a train and started reading it but the bias was unbearable and I had to stop .

The Sun is a terrible paper. I used to read it occasionally at work when one of my colleagues left it in the canteen - it's marginally preferable to literally twiddling your thumbs, but only just.

The quality of the journalism was dire. And if the biased article isn't enough to get your blood pressure up about whatever issue they're moaning about, Kandi (aged 19 from Croydon) agrees with the Sun's political view and demonstrates this by taking her top off. Then you've got pages and pages of "news articles", many of which consist of two or maybe even three whole sentences. Occasionally, the article capitalises seemingly RANDOM words clearly intended to cause O U T R A G E.

I think it does get away with it though, largely because it doesn't pretend to be something it isn't. It's cheap, tacky and downmarket. But that's exactly what it's trying to achieve. By contrast, the Mail and Express pretend to be quality newspapers but have certainly no less rubbish in them.

As for their political standpoint, I believe that the Sun simply backs winners and populist candidates in order to maintain newspaper sales. So, for example, the SNP are likely to win in Scotland, so the Sun has backed them as a result to maintain their newspaper's readership. This allows them to publish pro-SNP comments that it feels will appeal to its readership in light of their current political preference. Similarly, in England, there's a large viewpoint that us Scots are marching upon Westminster and taking control, thus a quintessentially English candidate like Cameron (who vows not to work with the SNP) appeals to English voters.

The results of the poll don't surprise me, although I would think that UKIP would be disappointed with their result in the Express, given that the Express is the only major newspaper actively promoting the party. As stated already, people buy newspapers that align most closely with their political viewpoints, so this in no way represents the newspapers projecting their opinions onto voters. In fact, more commonly, people buy papers for other reasons (a good TV mag, the sports section, puzzles), which probably accounts for some of the more bizarre voting intentions (Mail readers voting SNP, for example).

It's worth pointing out that the Sun ain't the only newspaper to offer differing viewpoints. The Express has done this on multiple occasions, too. One more notable occasion saw the Express in England promising readers an extra hour of daylight if we abolished daylight saving time. North of the border, there was an article about how the English are going to "plunge us into darkness" by abolishing DST! The Mail has also been known to censor some of its more bilious anti-Scottish ranting. I picked up a discarded copy once on a Tuesday, hoping to read Richard Littlejohn's latest column (because I don't get enough hate speech in my day to day life). It was conspicuously absent, but if you go online you could read his venomous and racist nonsense about Scots.

I have to say that, on the whole, I'm generally unimpressed by the media in the UK. The quality is generally poor, and the quality newspapers don't circulate anywhere near widely enough to have any real impact. I rarely buy newspapers. If I do, I go for the Glasgow Herald, which remains a good quality paper IMO and has a Scottish focus. If I'm in England, the Independent is my paper of choice - generally left leaning without forcing a political viewpoint down my throat. Overall, most of my news comes from the BBC. It ain't perfect, but it's free and generally gives a balanced (if not entirely unbiased at times) statement of facts.

At least we don't have Fox News though, that really is beyond parody.
 

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Loved the skit in the latest Private Eye about Richard Desmond donating £1m to UKIP and speculating about where the, er, ladies for the Express's sister title Asian Babes would come from after a UKIP landslide :) Wonder what the figures look like for that title...

Actually, I'd love to see the Eye included!

Creative use of the word "incessant" given the Sun supported Blair for 12 years :)

Not forgotten ;) Just talking a bit more short term - it seems to be every day. Nice to see that Sun readers aren't quite as malleable as Murdoch would like...
 

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I think Jim Hacker PM summed up the British newspapers extremely well some years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M

For anyone who just wants the blurb rather than watching the clip:

Hacker: Don't tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads the papers. The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country; the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; the Financial Times is read by people who own the country; the Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country, and the Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.

Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?

Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.​
 

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Generally, I don't have much time to read newspapers but I do visit Waitrose at least 3 times per week so I usually take free copies of one of the Telegraph, Times or Grauniad/Observer. I just couldn't take the Wail, it's just too negative about almost everything.
The Torygraph is normally the better for business and money matters and normally outside the editorial pages, the news is given straight, - that is except for the last month. They have consistently converted every bit of news into a 'Labour disaster/Tory our only salvation' story.
The Times is not unlike the Sun in its style, - it's easy to see the Murdoch line almost everywhere, but the english grammar is a bit less TOWIE.
When I've had enough of those two I seek temporary comfort in the Guardian/Observer as only non tabloid-style left of centre paper. Only occasionally, as there is no point in just reinforcing one's own prejudices and as Sun Tzu said, "Know Your Enemy".
 

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Generally, I don't have much time to read newspapers...

I tried the "i" for a while when I was commuting, which is a good paper on the whole. It's concise, but there was still quality in it. The only reason I stopped getting it was that there's no Scottish version, so there was lots in it that wasn't important to me, and lots of things that were important weren't mentioned.
 

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It's only bias if you disagree with it, otherwise it's fair comment.

I note that your understanding of the word "bias" differs from mine, which tars both the Sun and the Daily Mirror with one and the same brush...

"Bias....an inclination or prejudice for or against one person or a generalised group, especially in a way considered to be unfair"
 

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I note that your understanding of the word "bias" differs from mine, which tars both the Sun and the Daily Mirror with one and the same brush...

"Bias....an inclination or prejudice for or against one person or a generalised group, especially in a way considered to be unfair"

Obviously I should have used a "tongue-in-cheek" smiley, if there is such a thing.
 

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Obviously I should have used a "tongue-in-cheek" smiley, if there is such a thing.

Not to worry. We all have a sense of humour, though some different to others

It is bad enough to cross posting swords with the biggest cynic and pedantic lexicologist on this website, but to do it on General Election day!!...:D:D
 
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If you found a copy of the Daily Mirror on a train and started reading it, would you also find the bias there was unbearable...and had to stop?

The Mirror isn't quite as bad as The Sun, but yes.

As for The Sun and the writing style, they are a newspaper who understand that almost 20% of working age adults in the UK are functionally illiterate.
 

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I wouldn't touch the Sun with a bargepole for what to some may be obvious reasons.
 

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If you found a copy of the Daily Mirror on a train and started reading it, would you also find the bias there was unbearable...and had to stop?

Without Having read the paper I cant really comment . But If It was biased in the same way as the Sun was when I read that the other week I would indeed stop even if the Bias was towards another Political Party .

There is the Bias that you sometimes find in other papers even broadsheets particularly in the comment sections , and then there was just the downright bias that was in the Sun when I read that the other week literally every line of every story was just downright biased , I wouldn't be surprised if the weather report was biased in the sun to be honest .
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if the weather report was biased in the sun to be honest .

But the weather is always better under a Tory government :)

I do read a lot of papers on-line. The main bias appears to be the way that certain aspects of the same story are exaggerated or excluded to suit their demographic.

But it's also about confirmation bias. The papers have to pander to their readers prejudices, or their readers (and their revenue) will go elsewhere!
 

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Once again you interpret people disagreeing with you as people telling you you aren't allowed to comment.

You're allowed to comment. Equally we're allowed to tell you why you're wrong. By your logic your post would be infringing the right of the pollsters to take polls in the first place, but disagreement is not censorship so obviously it would be stupid to interpret it that way.

Make it up as you go along why don't you, i am simply stating that i am entitled to comment on this or any other thread while muz379 quite clearly and obviously thinks i should not if i don't agree with the majority, understand it now ?
 

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Make it up as you go along why don't you, i am simply stating that i am entitled to comment on this or any other thread while muz379 quite clearly and obviously thinks i should not if i don't agree with the majority, understand it now ?

I'm not saying you shouldn't comment if you dont agree with the majority . Obviously you are entitled a view even if you disagree with the majority . You quite often posses views that the majority disagree with

It merely struck me as ridiculous to come into a thread that was obviously about polls and start sounding off about not believing in polls and thinking they are a waste of time and shouldn't be carried out . If you wanted to debate over the reasons for the result of the poll then fair enough but to come in and say polls shouldn't happen just seems a waste of your time
 

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I'm not saying you shouldn't comment if you dont agree with the majority . Obviously you are entitled a view even if you disagree with the majority . You quite often posses views that the majority disagree with

It merely struck me as ridiculous to come into a thread that was obviously about polls and start sounding off about not believing in polls and thinking they are a waste of time and shouldn't be carried out . If you wanted to debate over the reasons for the result of the poll then fair enough but to come in and say polls shouldn't happen just seems a waste of your time
Don't feed the troll! ;)
 

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Ah, it's the old 'don't feed the troll' line then, pre election polls were really accurate weren't they, I'm sure David Cameron will be having them framed for the Downing Street toilets
Forum rules mean I have to be respectful to you, so unfortunately, I'm not allowed to call you an idiot. However, what was it you posted earlier?

Ah yes.

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What I'd like to know is just how many people YouGov asked when they put these totally incorrect and ridiculous figures together, as is the case with all other polls of course
 

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Forum rules mean I have to be respectful to you, so unfortunately, I'm not allowed to call you an idiot. However, what was it you posted earlier?

Ah yes.

And your point is ?, you have managed to highlight 'these totally incorrect and ridiculous figures together', perhaps you would like to point out why these poll figures, which were completely wrong, are not totally incorrect and ridiculous

If you think I'm referring to last nights BBC exit poll figures, the only figures which were accurate, then I won't call you an idiot either
 
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