4,30am train horn wakes residents

[Antman]

So according to antmans logic we can go and buy a house near an airport for example, (say a military on) and because of those naughty noisy jet engines, we could get a noise order on them and make them fly in really quietly because I want a good nights kip. All us shift workers should demand all noisy work in the day stop too as its our right to peace n quiet too. Get real.

Oh here we go again

End of reasoned debate!

 

[Islineclear3_1]

1.

Details on railway noise
https://www.gov.uk/noise-pollution-road-train-plane/railway-noise
Quote="There are no legal limits to noise from existing railways"

So the first line of this document states: "There are no legal limits to noise from existing railways"

So there you have it. What can an EHO do about this then....?

And what have you got against children?

I think this thread has run its course....

 

[Antman]

So the first line of this document states: "There are no legal limits to noise from existing railways"

So there you have it. What can an EHO do about this then....?

And what have you got against children?

I think this thread has run its course....

Yes I think it probably has.

One question though, why do NR sometimes put people up in hotels when they are undertaking noisy nightime work? Good PR or are they legally obliged to do so?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Yes I think it probably has.

One question though, why do NR sometimes put people up in hotels when they are undertaking noisy nightime work? Good PR or are they legally obliged to do so?

I have never heard of this. Wish my local council would put me up in a hotel when they're digging up the road outside my house lol

 

[Antman]

perhaps that question is best made into a different thread? Considerate duty of care towards their staff, given their home/work locations, and shift duration, i'd say. Nothing to do with noise, unless you believe they get a hotel, simply to rest their ears, post shift.

No it's local residents they offer hotel accommodation to, not their staff

IIRC they offered residents in Twickenham hotel accommodate during night time work last year?

 

[scott118]

No it's local residents they offer hotel accommodation to, not their staff

this is for the same noise nuisance as a train horn being blown?

 

[Llanigraham]

One question though, why do NR sometimes put people up in hotels when they are undertaking noisy nightime work? Good PR or are they legally obliged to do so?

PR only.

 

[sammorris]

Well in that case they now know or should find out. If I need to use the horn at 02:20 then I will use it. Again it's a 24/7 railway & if you live near it deal with it.

But in practice they're not 24/7 railways, in the main, and for that reason houses were (and still are) allowed to be built near them, on the assumption that generally speaking there won't be that much noise in the dead of night when people need to sleep in those houses.

Obviously if someone buys a house next to a busy goods yard and then starts complaining that they are disturbed by train engines, then they don't have a leg to stand on, much like the well-publicised morons who move into villages and then complain that the village church rings bells.

But if someone lives for years in one of many houses next to an apparently unremarkable stretch of line which has previously been quiet all night, and suddenly it becomes heavily used to the extent that no-one living there could possibly sleep, the railway must have some responsibility...

 

[Darren R]

No it's local residents they offer hotel accommodation to, not their staff

IIRC they offered residents in Twickenham hotel accommodate during night time work last year?

Well Network Rail have never offered me overnight hotel accommodation once in the 40 years I have lived within a few feet of the railway line - perhaps I need to complain more! (Or move to a more affluent constituency with a senior Cabinet member as my MP! )

 

[dk1]

But if someone lives for years in one of many houses next to an apparently unremarkable stretch of line which has previously been quiet all night, and suddenly it becomes heavily used to the extent that no-one living there could possibly sleep, the railway must have some responsibility...

Totally disagree. The railway has the right to go about its business & if on safety grounds during very occasional night time maintainence works the odd horn/noise occurs then so be it. They should be grateful it hasn't happened too often before.

 

[Darren R]

Totally disagree. The railway has the right to go about its business & if on safety grounds during very occasional night time maintainence works the odd horn/noise occurs then so be it. They should be grateful it hasn't happened too often before.

I totally agree. The top and bottom of it is that if you live in a house by the railway line you must expect the occasional train to go past and the odd bit of overnight engineering.

In my experience you just don't notice trains going past at all, even out-of-the-ordinary heavy engineering trains in the wee small hours. (Tampers, on the other hand, are a different matter! )

 

[scott118]

what's wrong with tampers? Then have the luxury of two types of train horns..

 

[Darren R]

what's wrong with tampers? Then have the luxury of two types of train horns..

Believe me, when you've got a Tamper doing its thing underneath your bedroom window at 4 o' clock in the morning, its horns blowing are the least of your worries!

 

[bramling]

A train driver is instructed to use the warning horn if engineers are on or about the track it's just one of those things. I live not far from a railway & it's often the case in the wee hours. As for roads, I for years had to suffer stupid neighbours friends & family who for some reason feel the need to 'toot toot' as they pull away waving when I was on nights & trying to sleep during the day. Again I had to deal with it.

Yep, one to remember is that there are plenty of people who work nights. So many times I've been interrupted during the day whilst sleeping, lawnmowers, road outside being dug up, someone pressure-washing a drive, tree cutting, car horns, and all manner of other things.

So I'm afraid I have little sympathy for those who, occasionally, hear a noise during the night.

 

[dk1]

A lady living near the GEML at Lakenham complained to NR about night time noise. Had nothing to do with machinery etc, just the 3 workman just below her bedroom window discussing their sex lives. Perhaps made her feel hers was inadequate

 

[red2005]

But they don't know it's being blown for safety reasons. The average person knows nothing of how the railway operates and is probably rather alarmed at being woken at 4:30AM by a freight train horn several days running, when this never used to happen before in many years of living next to the railway. I mean, they're not going to sleep through it, are they? And as for moving away from the railway, what sale value does a house have if you can't sleep in it? If I knew nothing of the railway, I think I might panic.

Maybe if it had been explained to residents that this was just for engineering works, for safety reasons, and it wasn't permanent nor about to be expanded to other times of night, it never would have ended up in the local paper.

this works both ways mate!!! maybe if people decided to do their research first instead of going straight to complaint mode and running their mouth off (generally to see what they can get out of it) it would be explained to them!

you live next to a railway you expect noise simple! i would definitely blow the horn if i felt the need and would feel no guilt whatsoever whether it's 12 midday or 03.30!

oh and there is no whistle board at green lane crossing.

 

[6Gman]

I live near the WCML. At night I used to regularly hear the liner trains squeaking and squealing into Basford Hall. Don't know if they've done something to the wagons or the track or whether it's our new double glazing, but I don't hear it any more.

Miss it!

How can anyone sleep without the background sound of the railway?

 

[me123]

So according to antmans logic we can go and buy a house near an airport for example, (say a military on) and because of those naughty noisy jet engines, we could get a noise order on them and make them fly in really quietly because I want a good nights kip. All us shift workers should demand all noisy work in the day stop too as its our right to peace n quiet too. Get real.

I live under the flight path of Aberdeen Airport, and am frequently awoken by Lufthansa's 05:30 flight to Frankfurt when it leaves in the morning. I don't moan about it or run crying to the papers. I just turn over and go back to sleep.

 

[Darren R]

A lady living near the GEML at Lakenham complained to NR about night time noise. Had nothing to do with machinery etc, just the 3 workman just below her bedroom window discussing their sex lives. Perhaps made her feel hers was inadequate

Perhaps I need to start taking more interest in what engineers on the line are talking about in future! All I've ever over-heard was the PICOP talking to the signaller!

 

[CC 72100]

I live under the flight path of Aberdeen Airport, and am frequently awoken by Lufthansa's 05:30 flight to Frankfurt when it leaves in the morning. I don't moan about it or run crying to the papers. I just turn over and go back to sleep.

There's a lot of unit marshalling just at the back of where I live, with last service train at around 1 and he first one at half 5, with shunting inbetween this time.

None of that wakes me up - if I'm ever woken up by a train, it is without fail the sleeper. Those 57's don't half throb through what is quite decent double glazing!

 

[Antman]

this works both ways mate!!! maybe if people decided to do their research first instead of going straight to complaint mode and running their mouth off (generally to see what they can get out of it) it would be explained to them!

you live next to a railway you expect noise simple! i would definitely blow the horn if i felt the need and would feel no guilt whatsoever whether it's 12 midday or 03.30!

oh and there is no whistle board at green lane crossing.

Which is a bit like saying if you live next to a road expect noise, simple!
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I live under the flight path of Aberdeen Airport, and am frequently awoken by Lufthansa's 05:30 flight to Frankfurt when it leaves in the morning. I don't moan about it or run crying to the papers. I just turn over and go back to sleep.

But presumably the 05.30 flight to Frankfurt doesn't sound a horn as it goes over and noise is kept to a minimum? I wish I could still be in bed at 05.30!

 

[GatwickDepress]

Boyfriend's house is right near the southern part of the WCML at Milton Keynes, and I find I wake up if there isn't any railway noise!

 

[red2005]

Which is a bit like saying if you live next to a road expect noise, simple!
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But presumably the 05.30 flight to Frankfurt doesn't sound a horn as it goes over and noise is kept to a minimum? I wish I could still be in bed at 05.30!

yes quite simply!

ha ha come on these are jet engines we are talking about not the first 30mph of a toyota prius lol there's gonna be a fair amount of noise lol

 

[Antman]

yes quite simply!

ha ha come on these are jet engines we are talking about not the first 30mph of a toyota prius lol there's gonna be a fair amount of noise lol

Obviously but the aviation industry is constantly under pressure to keep noise levels to a minimum as indeed is just about every other industry.

What gets me is this arrogant notion that some have expressed on here that the rail industry can make as much noise as it wishes and that anybody who doesn't like it should go and live elsewhere.

 

[DaleCooper]

Obviously but the aviation industry is constantly under pressure to keep noise levels to a minimum as indeed is just about every other industry.

What gets me is this arrogant notion that some have expressed on here that the rail industry can make as much noise as it wishes and that anybody who doesn't like it should go and live elsewhere.

I don't think anyone has suggested that railways can make as much noise as they like but as things stand, and for good reasons, some noise is inevitable. Would you be happy if locomotives were fitted with silent horns?

 

[Antman]

I don't think anyone has suggested that railways can make as much noise as they like but as things stand, and for good reasons, some noise is inevitable. Would you be happy if locomotives were fitted with silent horns?

If you look back through the thread I think you'll find that they have and yes some noise is obviously inevitable.

 

[Juniper Driver]

“You end up feeling really tired and cranky all day. It’s no fun at all.”

I'll remember that when im getting up at half three tomorrow.

 

[Oswyntail]

What always strikes me when people complain about noisy children is that I have never yet met one of these adults who was never a child themselves

 

[Darren R]

What always strikes me when people complain about noisy children is that I have never yet met one of these adults who was never a child themselves

Oh I don't know - there seems to be plenty of people around who were born middle-aged!

 

[red2005]

Obviously but the aviation industry is constantly under pressure to keep noise levels to a minimum as indeed is just about every other industry.

What gets me is this arrogant notion that some have expressed on here that the rail industry can make as much noise as it wishes and that anybody who doesn't like it should go and live elsewhere.

i don't think anyone has said that mate.......i just think people are saying that if you move to a railway and not expect noise then you are deluded!....to a certain extent they can make as much noise as they wish!.....i mean if someone ran out in front of me at 2am i wouldn't give a rats behind about the people asleep in houses next to the line!

in terms of noise comparing the aviation industry to the railway industry is probably a poor comparison to make! they are like chalk and cheese!.......but the way i see it is if people want a safe railway with minimal disruption then they should realise there will be noise that goes hand in hand with that whether that be a whistle board close by or engineering works at daft o clock!

people talk about arrogance on here but i ask you this.........is there anything more arrogant than an individual/s who think the world should stop spinning so they can get some shuteye?