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...for Melksham and the TransWilts service

http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/pledge.html
Currently there are just two direct trains a day from Westbury, Trowbridge and Melksham to Chippenham and Swindon. And no direct trains at all from Salibury and Warminster to the same destinations. Melksham - a town of around 23000 - has just 2 trains each way daily and through travellers have to use the bus or dogleg via Bath. It wasn't always like this - until December 2006, the line was growing at up to 35% per annum (official figure) but never the less the majority of services were cut by First Great Western at that date, based on their new franchise which was based on very old figures and instructed them to make reductions all over the West.

It is now accepted that this particular specification cut was one too many, and the parties acknowledge this. An appropriate service would provide a true peak hour commuter service from Salisbury and West Wiltshire to Chippenham and Swindon, and a service through the day. As a step towards this goal, First Great Western, Network Rail, Wiltshire Council and others have all invested time and effort, into the following practical timetable. But the extra four trains (which are excellently timed) CAN BE RUN only if the parties involved get sufficient support.
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I'm more than a bit dubious about their claims about CO2 emmisions, particularly that the train service they are proposing would have lower emmisions than the bus service.
 

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Not really, rail is still more carbon efficient that buses in this country, on account of average loads and overall efficiency. The figures from transport direct take overall average loads, which is 33% for rail.

The average load for a train is 108 people and bus 9 (source ATOC/Dft). That said, if you had a 60% load on a class 166 you would get roughly 493 passenger miles per gallon compared to 360 on a Volvo coach. Fully loaded a modern MU is still better than a bus. Figures taken from the department for transport.

Rail magazine recently published a graph showing megabus a little bit more efficient than an IC255. But they didn't publish the small print which showed the megabus load was 60% and the train load was 32%. I've seen the original work done by RSSB etc In actual fact loads on the ECML are around 60% now overall, thanks to yield management.

The fact remains is rail journeys are typically 2-3 times faster than buses, talking the elasticity of demand and supply into account, generally it is much harder to attract people out of their cars or even induce any sort of demand with the much slower bus services run in the same way.

National express have had some success with yield management with higher overall loads than compared to commuter rail services, and thereby being more carbon efficient. But this is to be taken in context, because a like-for-like replacement where there is low off-peak use, would result in carbon figures even worse.

For the latest rail emissions statement it is worth consulting the latest ATOC documents:

http://www.atoc-comms.org/admin/userfiles/Energy & Emissions Statement - web version.pdf

which gives passenger diesel rail at 69 g Co2/pkm

electric rail at 51g Co2/pkm

and overall 58g Co2/pkm

also with the caveat of

'These emissions figures are based on the average UK electricity generation mix. The actual
picture for electric rail is very much better than the table above would suggest since
operators source electricity from British Energy whose carbon intensity of supply is much
lower than that of the average generation mix – around 100gCO2/kWh, about a fifth of
the UK average – largely due to the high proportion of nuclear generation (approximately
87%) in the total.'

So on an accounting basis, electric rail is nearer 10g Co2/pkm, this compares to figures from Defra which show buses at 89g co2/pkm

Interestingly, since 1996 rail has cut emissions per pass km by 25%, cars by 9% and domestic air has *increased* by 11%. Despite the claims of many commentators.

So the answer is, if you want 1/2 - 1/3rd of the journey time and attract people out of their cars and to cut carbon is to support the train service. Indeed, if you really want to cut carbon, electrify it and power it by Nuclear. Rail generally also opens up opportunities for rail freight which is 4-10 times better than road in terms of emissions.
 

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Coaches do better than rail for CO2 only because they are normally fully loaded, or very close, using new fleets.
 

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Which is what I said, mainly because they use yield management. However if the same ticketing arrangements are applied to rail, then the situation changes. In actual fact a National express East coast train does better than the coach fleet.

But we are comparing on a like-for-like basis, usually presumably the majority walk on fares, in which case rail does better than bus or coach as backed up by the figures I have provided.

As both are competing against the private car, most of the time, for journey times and comfort, rail is more attractive for most people compared to coaches. Else we would have seen a massive demand for coach travel, which we have not. After all, most people get to sample the wonders of coach travel at the weekends on the railways and we're not witnessing a massive modal shift.

Those that promote coach travel frequently forget we are not in Cuba, and while people have the choice, journey time, passenger facilities and overall comfort are going to come into play which coaches do not do very well at.
 

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Indeed, I once did Birmingham-Glasgow on overnight bus - hell on earth! Manchester at 1am looked like Beiruit. In future I swore I;d only ever do that journey on the late, or early morning trains even if I had to go via Manchester Leeds, London and Penzance...it would still be better than a coach overnight.
 

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I think however in this case that if there are spare trains available they would be far better utilised on the Salisbury-Bristol service which is horrendously overcrowded and has been since BR days.
Running trains near empty certainly on the Westbury to Salsibury section just isnt a good use of resources.
 

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But are single coach trains going to be near empty? We're talking about one or two coaches running a service every two hours. Swindon is a major commercial centre in that area and there are large numbers of people who are trying to reach Swindon or Chippenham from the East who either have to drive or take said overcrowded train to Bath to change for another train.
 

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Apart from that small fact that the service as it stands was horribly under used generally while having a decent service. If they get an "appropriate" service, I've got a bet on it'll last at maximum 5 years.
 

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Apart from that small fact that the service as it stands was horribly under used generally while having a decent service. If they get an "appropriate" service, I've got a bet on it'll last at maximum 5 years.
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