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Railway busiest ever for passengers in peacetime

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Britain’s railways saw record peacetime passenger traffic last year – the network’s 13th year of consecutive growth, which took it past the previous high mark set six decades ago.

Figures to be published by the Association of Train Operating Companies (Atoc) show there were 1.21bn passenger rail journeys during 2007 and traffic of 30.1bn miles, journeys multiplied by the length of each.

The previous peace-time record, set in 1946, resulted from soldiers travelling long distances during post-war demobilisation. The railways accounted then for 29.2bn miles of passenger traffic.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7934c8a6-0662-11dd-802c-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

Of course the railways played a huge part in the world wars, especially at the time there was no motorways. In World War one trains arrived at Southampton Docks every 12 mins, with troops and supplies for France. As well as that they ran a normal service during the first years as well as the wartime traffic, included reduced holiday fares and extra holiday traffic. This wasn't frowned upon, as it was a good propaganda move by the press to persuade civilians it was business as normal, despite the hostilities abroad.
 
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well why the hell have we shorter trains then? 1981-NE-SW class 45 + 11 coaches 2008 class 220/221 4 or 5,8 (IF LUCKY) 1981 WCML class 81-87 plus 12 coaches 2008 vermin 390!!! are we going back to cattle trucks???
 

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Germany and Italy had motorways by World War 2 and look where it got them :D.

So how do we compare with France and Germany with their fancy high speed lines for passenger numbers?
 

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well why the hell have we shorter trains then? 1981-NE-SW class 45 + 11 coaches 2008 class 220/221 4 or 5,8 (IF LUCKY) 1981 WCML class 81-87 plus 12 coaches 2008 vermin 390!!! are we going back to cattle trucks???

Yes!

As long as it looks good on paper then it must be good to the TOC's!

P.S. Mooo!
 

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the TOC's have no idea they are just bean counters try getting on a XC service at sheffield the only decent service we have is [stn]STP[/stn]-SHF and as far as i know the HST's are going to NOTTS in may HELP!!!
 

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the TOC's have no idea they are just bean counters try getting on a XC service at sheffield the only decent service we have is LSP-SHF and as far as i know the HST's are going to NOTTS in may HELP!!!

mwahaha! we robbed the sheffield / leeds EMT HSTs yes, and you're lucky - EMT have announced that at peak they will be operating 5+5 car 222s. But unluckily, a few 8 car 222s have been whittled down to 7 to put a car back into some 4 car ones.
Also, the Liverpool - Norwich route is now critical, I am never on a train that isn't overcrowded on that line. Meridians/pioneers are cleared for Nottingham - Norwich, maybe this'd help if we got some from Hull Trains (or even better, got a few 180s!)
 

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well why the hell have we shorter trains then? 1981-NE-SW class 45 + 11 coaches 2008 class 220/221 4 or 5,8 (IF LUCKY) 1981 WCML class 81-87 plus 12 coaches 2008 vermin 390!!! are we going back to cattle trucks???

There's probably more capacity because we operate much more frequent service now. Sadly, they forgot that passenger loads will still be pretty big during the peaks :roll:
 

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One of the key arguments against expansion of the roads is that it encourages more cars, just ask any Economics student about Induced Demand! I'm sure the same principle could be applied to a more frequent rail service. The Voyagers actually provided the same number of seats that their predecessors provided because they run more frequently under the new timetables. However the new timetables are more attractive, thus more people use the trains and they get overcrowded.
 

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Germany and Italy had motorways by World War 2 and look where it got them :D.

So how do we compare with France and Germany with their fancy high speed lines for passenger numbers?

1/2 Germany, 2/3rd France I think off hand from memory. Also long way to go on freight, it's just over 1/3 what it was in the 1950s. The railways used to get 70-80% of their revenue from freight, it's more like 10% now. There's also 40% less network than the 50s. Rail passenger miles exceeded car passenger miles in the 50s, now it's a drop in the ocean, which is likely to go on while the rail network is 22 times smaller than the main road network.
 

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They are quite impressive figures given the size of our country, the rail network and the large number of cars in the country. The problem with our railways is:

1) Silly use of Voyagers. It ,ay seem unfair to blame the railways on one type of train operating one type of route, but it makes sense. They are good units, providing a frequent service and they do a good job (IMO) keeping a frequent service. What is missing, though, is the presence HST-length trains (and longer) for busier services. Induced demand may exist, but putting Voyagers on some trains can only be asking for a decline in passenger numbers.
2) Underuse of the WCML, which is being addressed for the December 2008 timetable.
3) Lack of a proper high-speed network. Running trains at 140mph (which is possible ATM using the stock on the ECML and WCML) would be a huge boost to these services and faster is possible in the distant future. To allow trains to compete with planes on the Scotland-London routes would be absolutely fantastic.

There are also key links missing in even the best of local networks. In my area, there is enough car traffic that, if a regular train service started between Coatbridge and Hamilton, it would definately be profitable. The journey takes 20 minutes via MTH, and can take about 30 at the peak times. Use/creation of links like this can encourage more people still onto trains which allows huge improvements to be made to the network to improve services.

People may moan about trains, but if they are underused (which, in some places, tehy are), how can any improvements go ahead?
 

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Explosion in rail use ‘means growth of network is urgent’

More than a thousand miles of high-speed railway line and new rail tunnels under the Irish Sea and the English Channel will be needed to cope with the continuing rapid growth in rail travel, according to the industry’s vision for the future network.

Three new 200mph lines would fan out from London, halving journey times to all the big regional cities and to Scotland. A fourth new high-speed line would cross the Pennines, linking Manchester, Sheffield and Leeds.

Tracks could also be laid on top of tidal barrages being considered for the Severn, Solway and Morecambe estuaries. A dedicated freight train network would take millions of lorries off the roads and would remove a cause of huge delay for passenger trains.

The Association of Train Operating Companies has published a vision for the network in 2057, by which time, if the postprivatisation growth trend continues, the number of passengers will have more than trebled.

Rail passengers clocked up 30.1 billion miles (49 billion km) last year, the greatest distance travelled by train in peacetime and 10 billion more miles than a decade ago. The annual passenger growth rate is running at 7.8 per cent, with 1.2 billion journeys made last year.

The only years when the railways were busier were during the Second World War, when millions of troops were moved around the country. This is despite the network being a third smaller today than in 1945.

The association believes that the growth rate will decline slightly, but still forecasts that the network will be carrying 2.4 billion passengers by 2028.

It commissioned Jim Steer, the former strategy director of the Strategic Rail Authority, to consider how the network would need to expand to accommodate predicted demand.

Mr Steer’s report says that the first new high-speed line should run from London, via Heathrow, to Birming

“ ham and Manchester. The second should run up the East Coast to Newcastle upon Tyne and Edinburgh, and the third to Bristol and Cardiff.

New and reopened lines operating at the conventional speed (about 100mph) would be needed to avoid bottlenecks on the existing network. Trains would run between Oxford and Cambridge, via Bedford, for the first time since 1967.

The disused line between Okehampton and Plymouth in Devon would be reopened to provide an alternative to Brunel’s route via the seawall at Dawlish, which faces an uncertain future because of rising sea levels.

Mr Steer said that the forecast by the Office for National Statistics of an 18 million increase in the population during the next 50 years, and environmental constraints on expanding roads and airports, meant that demand for rail travel would continue to grow even during an economic downturn.

He said: “We need to think big and we need to start planning for expansion right now if we are to have any hope of coping with demand. Other countries, such as Japan, have had a long-term vision for their railways but we have tended only to think about the next five years.

“At some stage, Government will have to recognise the sheer implausibility of the [population] increase being predominantly accommodated in the wider South East, as it has been for the last 50 years.

“It is therefore likely to see high-speed rail as one of a number of key instruments to achieve this economic shift, while also reducing dependence on aviation for short-haul flights.”

The Government published what it claimed was a 30-year rail strategy last July, but the only commitments given were for modest expansion up to 2014.

Ministers have conceded recently that a new high-speed line will have to be considered, but they have yet to commission a detailed study.

Atkins, an engineering consultancy, published last month its own study of the costs and benefits of two high-speed lines running between London and Scotland along the East and West Coasts. It found that the lines would cost £31 billion, but deliver £63 billion in economic benefits, including helping northern cities to regenerate.

Britain has the fastest growing railway of any leading European country but is the only one that has yet to build, or to commit to building, a network of high-speed lines.

George Muir, the director-general of the Association of Train Operating Companies, said yesterday: “The railway brings people together and, as measured by passenger miles, 2007 was a record year.

“This growth shows that more train capacity is urgently needed for our passengers, for the economy and for a green Britain.

“People are increasingly turning to rail; not only is it a faster and more convenient way of travelling, it is greener than travelling on our congested roads and domestic air routes.”

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article3724037.ece
 

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2) Underuse of the WCML, which is being addressed for the December 2008 timetable.

I thought virgin had some kind of exclusive rights on the WCML until 2010 or am i wrong?:!:
 

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2) Underuse of the WCML, which is being addressed for the December 2008 timetable.

I thought virgin had some kind of exclusive rights on the WCML until 2010 or am i wrong?:!:

Nope, entirely correct! I feel that, ATM, WCML services aren't as good as they could be, but the December 2008 TT will introduce hourly runs to GLC (Putting us on par with EDB), 20-minute frequence to Manchester, I think the service to Wrexham via Chester will also start.

At the moment, Edinburgh has better rail links than Glasgow, and WCML service to GLC are at the same frequency as ECML services! (excluding Birmingham services). An hourly service can only improve things for Scotland's largest city, which is also used by so many planes to London. If Virgin can combat BA yet again, the environmental impact will be astounding.
 

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Yep i agree with you as i was up scotland last saturday edinburgh has more long distance trains but glasgow has more suburban i spent 2 1/2 hrs on central and only saw 1 pendo the other long distance one was a TPE 185
 
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