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Tyne Tees Rover write-up (October 2013)

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Here is a write-up of a trip I did back in 2013, which I thought I would type up from my notes for you to enjoy.

Tyne Tees Rover – 12 October 2013

After a mammoth journey from Scarborough to Thurso and back in the two weeks previous, covering over 1,150 miles, I thought I would try something a little closer to home this time.

My friend, who is originally from the Newcastle area, and I decided we were going to have a look at the Tyne Tees Rover – I've travelled up the East Coast Main Line numerous times, but never really diverted from the route, so I knew this would be a new experience, and would visit a number of stations I have never been to before.

It was an early start – catching the 06:30 from Scarborough to York on 185111, we left on time, and arrived a minute late at 07:24. I remember being a little bit panicky, as I knew I didn't have long to catch the 07:32 from York up to Thornaby, and knew I probably had to get from platform 4 to platform 9, 10 or 11 – I think we ended up departing from 9, and luckily I wasn't weighed down with luggage as I normally am when I travel, so my running skills weren't hampered!

We departed to Thornaby on time on 185146, we arrived at Northallerton where I met my friend, and our Rover officially started. I remember we travelled very slowly around the Thirsk area, I think due to a late running HST – we arrived at Thornaby eight minutes late. Again, we had a relatively short wait before the 08:37 Northern service was due to take us to Hexham (via Sunderland, Hartlepool, etc) – the route took us around some nice scenery, if not some unpleasant characters! 142095 was on time leaving, and arriving, which was good.

Once we arrived at Hexham, we had a short wait before the same train took us back to Newcastle at 10:43 – again we left on time, and arrived in 4 minutes early at 11:23.

Once at Newcastle, we took opportunity to take alcoholic refreshment at the station bar and waited for our next train, which was to Morpeth. 156475 left on time at 12:15, and arrived a minute late at 12:36. The train then disappeared down a siding whilst a couple more HSTs flew by, and then appeared nine minutes later to take us back to Newcastle, this time arriving a minute early at 13:12.

Knowing this would be our last major stop before we got home, we went to the Wetherspoons, and had lunch and a pint, and then got some more provisions in the Sainsburys at the station.

A change of operator, as Transpennine was to take us down to Darlington. 185116 was the train – we left on time at 14:18, and arrived two late at 14:48 – a much needed opportunity for a phone recharge!

Once at Darlington, we had a short wait before our next train up the Tees Valley Line to Bishop Auckland – back on the Northern services, 142088 took us away on time at 14:54, arriving two minutes early at 15:18. Another quick turnaround and the same train took us back along the Tees Valley Line to Saltburn at 15:25, arriving at 16:49 – bang on time. We flew through the Teesside Airport stop; one which we knew we would never achieved.

We took the opportunity to stretch our legs, and then jumped back on the 16:58 service as far as Middlesbrough – passing British Steel Redcar en-route, a real “blink and you miss it” stop. It was one which we would have liked to at least stopped at, but we couldn't get it in to our schedule without missing a trip somewhere else. We arrived at Middlesbrough a minute early at 17:22.

I was booked on the 20:50 service from Middlesbrough to York service – so in theory we had time to get to Whitby and back on the Esk Valley Line – leaving 10 minutes to spare, so we went for it. 156463 was the vehicle which took us there – and we went well, leaving on time and seeing some interesting workings – such as the Battersby reverse at the junction, and the token system in operation. We were going well until we got to Glaisdale. We were held up here for a good 15-20 minutes. There was a train on the Pickering-Whitby line apparently as it was War Weekend. Being from Pickering, I should have known this – but it completely slipped my memory. We stood on the platform whilst we waited, as it was quite a mild evening – and had a good chat with the driver and guard who were both a bit perplexed as to what the problem was and were constantly in telephone contact with someone trying to resolve it. We eventually arrived at Whitby 11 minutes late at 19:18.

From then on, panic stations were in place as I knew my connection back at Middlesbrough would be very tight. The conductor was great though and managed to get the train at Middlesbrough held for me.

A very quick turnaround, and we departed seven minutes late at 19:22. If we ran to time, I would be OK. The train was full of very jovial war weekend characters. This was officially a dry train, but I think the guard was turning a blind eye.

We got in to Middlesbrough 7 minutes late at 20:48. The Transpennine Express train 185116 (the same one which took me from Newcastle to Darlington) was waiting on the opposite platform – so it was a very quick dash under the station and I made the train – but where was the conductor? He wasn't at the back of the train, and he wasn't chatting to the driver – so I walked right through it to try and find him, but to no avail. In the end, I just sat down and let him find me – which he did! We departed just two minutes late at 20:52, arriving at York at 21:41, two minutes early.

I get to York, and my train home is cancelled – so we're waiting on a bustitution – I can't remember now why it was cancelled. It would therefore have been around 23:30 by the time I got home – it was a long old day – but thoroughly enjoyable!
 
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Sounds like you had a good trip. I must try and get a Tyne tees rover in this year to do the odd branches.

Am currently in the middle of a Central Scotland rover
, my 1st proper bash this year so hopefully a report should be up on that shortly
 

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A very good varied day out there all in, I'm doing a Tyne and Tees Day Ranger next week myself. It's been on my list to do for a long time, and I'm rather keen on getting the Heaton 142s and 156s in the book! Of course, any 91s and 185s I can score at the same time will be welcome too!

That was lucky that you made the train home from Middlesborough, shame about the cancellation of the train to Scarborough though!

Most enjoyed that read, will you be doing any more in the future?
 

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Thanks Postye - have a good trip in Scotland - I look forward to your report.

A very good varied day out there all in, I'm doing a Tyne and Tees Day Ranger next week myself. It's been on my list to do for a long time, and I'm rather keen on getting the Heaton 142s and 156s in the book! Of course, any 91s and 185s I can score at the same time will be welcome too!

That was lucky that you made the train home from Middlesborough, shame about the cancellation of the train to Scarborough though!

Most enjoyed that read, will you be doing any more in the future?

My main motive is visiting all stations, so the train numbers aren't vital to me - but I do still record them.

Yes - very lucky at Middlesbrough!!

I'm doing a North West Round Robin in April - I want to do a day trip in September, but not sure where at the moment. I'll do write-ups on both trips, as I enjoy doing them (and I hope people enjoy reading them!)
 

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Thanks Postye - have a good trip in Scotland - I look forward to your report.

Same here, should be an excellent read :D

My main motive is visiting all stations, so the train numbers aren't vital to me - but I do still record them.

Yes - very lucky at Middlesbrough!!

I'm doing a North West Round Robin in April - I want to do a day trip in September, but not sure where at the moment. I'll do write-ups on both trips, as I enjoy doing them (and I hope people enjoy reading them!)

Fair enough, I do both :)

I enjoy reading your trip reports, and I'm sure plenty more of us do as well! I could make recommendations on a day trip, plenty of suggestions, but that would depend on budget and other requirements.
 

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Same here, should be an excellent read :D



Fair enough, I do both :)

I enjoy reading your trip reports, and I'm sure plenty more of us do as well! I could make recommendations on a day trip, plenty of suggestions, but that would depend on budget and other requirements.

Budget isn't a massive issue but needs to be a day trip really. Don't think I'd pay for a 4/8 rover if I was only using for one day.

I've done most of the Tyne Tees area and a lot of South/West Yorkshire but not all of it (75% maybe). Done quite a bit around Manchester/Wigan/Bolton area too.

Ideas more than welcome
 

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Birmingham's probably too far away for a day trip really, maybe a Derbyshire Wayfarer? Nottingham trams/Kangaroo (Nottingham area ticket, I think that covers both trams and some EMT stuff)? Lancashire Day Ranger? Merseyrail Saveaway?
 

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Nottingham is a bit of a pain to get to, and the timings don't work that well for me - although if I did via Derby and combined the two, it's a viable option.

I've looked at Merseyrail before, and actually had a plan for it last year but circumstances got in my way. I might have a look at this one, and build it in for September or something. I realise the timings could well have changed!

Lancashire for me would work really well, as we have family in Accrington, so my starting point would be good. However, when we go there we only go for a weekend, so don't know if I'd be allowed out - though we are planning a week over there in July so I will probably scaling the walls at that point, so might try to blackmail the wife!! I've ticked off some of Lancashire at various points, but there are bits I am missing which I would love to tick off.

Thanks for the ideas - given me some food for thought!
 

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Lancashire for me would work really well, as we have family in Accrington, so my starting point would be good. However, when we go there we only go for a weekend, so don't know if I'd be allowed out - though we are planning a week over there in July so I will probably scaling the walls at that point, so might try to blackmail the wife!! I've ticked off some of Lancashire at various points, but there are bits I am missing which I would love to tick off.

Thanks for the ideas - given me some food for thought!

I'd be the same as you there, I'd be desperate to get out and about! Blackmail her I say, or at least butter her up a bit for a while first to get the brownie points in the book! So glad I don't have to deal with such nonsense!

Most welcome for the ideas, not sure what else to suggest to be honest!
 

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I'd be the same as you there, I'd be desperate to get out and about! Blackmail her I say, or at least butter her up a bit for a while first to get the brownie points in the book! So glad I don't have to deal with such nonsense!

Most welcome for the ideas, not sure what else to suggest to be honest!

Is there value in a trip to London and using the Zone 1-6 Travelcard (£17) and using the branches outwards? I can get to London quicker than Nottingham which is barmy really, and I have Reward Points to use up!!

I wouldn't be using the tube apart from getting from National Rail station to station!

I have an Oyster Card, but don't know if that's of benefit here?
 
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Is there value in a trip to London and using the Zone 1-6 Travelcard (£17) and using the branches outwards? I can get to London quicker than Nottingham which is barmy really, and I have Reward Points to use up!!

I wouldn't be using the tube apart from getting from National Rail station to station!

I have an Oyster Card, but don't know if that's of benefit here?

If you're travelling before 0930, which I suspect you will be, around London you'll have to fork out that significant figure. However, it may also be worth you looking at a Zones 1-4 Travelcard, which is £12 peak or off-peak (I know, I don't get it either). Yes you have less area to roam but if you've got to head back reasonably early (I'm hazarding a guess you'll be leaving London around 1630) then you should be fine on a Z1-4. After all, a fiver's a fiver! Of course, if you want to reach the outer limits of London (Tattenham Corner, Caterham, Orpington, etc) then Z1-6 will definitely be needed.

I always prefer a paper Travelcard to a bash around London, with an Oyster being more suited for me if I'm just doing a point-to-point trip.

London has enormous variety, and depending on what you fancy doing there (stations I'm guessing from this trip report) there's quite a few of us about on here who can advise on options.

So yeah, use those Rewards points and enjoy what the capital has to offer!
 

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I'd probably be travelling around London after 09:30 as I'll likely be on the first train from Scarborough. I could probably leave London around 19:00.

I've been having a look at the boundaries of the Z1-4 and I agree, that sounds plenty large enough to explore!

To be honest, I need to have a proper sit down with the timetables and maps. The area is huge with so many lines, I'll probably concentrate on a section rather than trying convoluted trips across London which may well waste my time.

Anyone with any ideas, I'd love to hear them! I'm not huge on covering all the Underground stations which don't have a National Rail station attached (Covent Garden, etc) - but will use Underground if it helps. Similarly, I aren't huge on using the buses unless there is a saving in time between ends of branches or anything.
 

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Sadly the Zone 1-4 travelcard no longer exists. Seems to be 1-6 only now (excluding 1-9 & 1-9WJ)

Paper travel-card is recommended for London bashing, just in case Oyster tries to link some journeys together to push you over the "max time".
 

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Sadly the Zone 1-4 travelcard no longer exists. Seems to be 1-6 only now (excluding 1-9 & 1-9WJ)

Paper travel-card is recommended for London bashing, just in case Oyster tries to link some journeys together to push you over the "max time".


Excellent - does anyone know of a list of NR stations within the Z1-6 Boundary?
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Found one! :) The List!
 

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It's a Chiltern station, however is only served during the peaks with 4 trains a day in each direction, hence a bit of a challenge to try and score it.
 

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It's a Chiltern station, however is only served during the peaks with 4 trains a day in each direction, hence a bit of a challenge to try and score it.

Challenge accepted, and I'm going after it in March when I'm down there. Easy enough to do, just pick a train that calls (so I'll be ensuring a copy of the timetable is on me!), get there, board a bus or walk to the nearest Piccadilly line station.

Of course, the alternative is to get there by Piccadilly line and bus/walk, mark it off and continue back to the Piccadilly line!

EDIT: The TfL Adult Fares PDF disagrees with Z1-4 Travelcards being discontinued:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/tube-dlr-lo-adult-fares.pdf
 
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I need to do some research on how to manoeuvre myself around the termini and avoid multiple backwards and forward up the same lines - try and make some 'triangle moves' rather than just going A-B-A all day!
 

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Anyone with any ideas, I'd love to hear them! I'm not huge on covering all the Underground stations which don't have a National Rail station attached (Covent Garden, etc) - but will use Underground if it helps. Similarly, I aren't huge on using the buses unless there is a saving in time between ends of branches or anything.

Are you after covering the Tube network at all, for the track? If so, I can't remember which bus it is now without researching it, but there is a bus route that links Edgware (Northern line terminus) with Stanmore (Jubilee line terminus) that would doubtlessly save a lot of doubling-back.

There's nothing immediately obvious that I'd recommend doing above all else, although having a go on FGW's 165s and 166s may not be a bad shout, since they'll be leaving the Thames Valley in the next couple of years. After all, it may be your last chance to get down that way and sample them!

Don't know where it stops these days, but the 1134 (not 100% sure on the time, do research it first!) off Paddington with Chiltern's one of those PSUL moves so got to be worth getting in the book. It MIGHT stop in the Travelcard zones now, when I did it it was non-stop to Gerrards Cross! £12 day return had to be bought to get that done, but it was worth it to finally get it out of the way! It does have an inbound working from Ruislip, 10-something, again researching it might be worth a go.

Enfield Town and Shenfield services are 315-operated, I know you're not motive power-focused, or at the least not as much as I am, but since these will be moving away from London in the next couple of years (again, could be your last chance!) I'd say they'll be worth a look. Every 10 minutes on the Shenfield stopping services so plenty of stations to get in the book, every 30 minutes on Enfield Town services.

Again a motive power-focused thought, but the 319s are getting replaced in some significant numbers now by the 387s, with them all going eventually by the 700s. Yes some are going to Northern, with the rest with unknown destinations so far, but in your shoes I'd be getting down there and jumping into the motor coach on a 319 under the wires for some AC racket! They're still fine on DC, but I much prefer them under AC power <D

I'd have much more if I was to make suggestions solely on motive power, but not just on routes or stations.
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I need to do some research on how to manoeuvre myself around the termini and avoid multiple backwards and forward up the same lines - try and make some 'triangle moves' rather than just going A-B-A all day!

Don't forget London Bridge is undergoing very major re-building, and will be for quite some time yet, so probably best avoiding that one if horror stories about it at busy times (so almost every second of the day!) are to be believed!

Let us know (probably best putting this lot in a separate thread to be fair!) what you want from your London trip, whether it be track bashing, red-penning stuff, station visiting or whatever and we'll be much better equipped to advise on a series of moves!
 

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London Bridge is good to go through non-stop, just to see the scale of the works.

Plenty of stuff to do around London, you could probably have a week going around with every day spent in a certain area.
 

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Thanks - I'll have a look at my options and come back with a plan.

I'll do the Underground to get from say Kings Cross to Paddington of whatever if I need to. But I'm not looking to spend all my time on the tube - National Rail stations are my objective.

Not really bothered about a 323 or a 358 or a 170 or whatever!! Would like to try a few different ToCs though.

(If a mod wants to move the post from #12 onwards in to a fresh post if that's possible, feel free or if not I'll crack a new thread up tomorrow)
 

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Fair games on the motive power front, at least you record what it is you get on. Getting various TOCs in, well that'll be a very easy task to score off a good few!
 

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I've not got all the unit numbers - sometimes don't get time to grab them pre-journey and forget afterwards lol

Stations/shacks are definitely my motivation!! Around 350 down and another 350 passed - still a long way to go!!!
 

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A couple of points picking up on both subjects on this thread.

Firstly, London Loopage. I like this myself. Past sweeps have been Paddington-Greenford-West Ruislip-Marylebone and Euston-Walthamstow Central-Chingford-Liverpool St-Romford-Upminster-Limehouse, then a spin on the DLR. These might give you a couple of ideas for linking things together.

Secondly, going back to your original trip, I am afraid that faced with a delayed trip from Whitby to Scarborough via Middlesbrough and York, I'd have probably got the 'bus via Robin Hood's Bay! ;)
 

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A couple of points picking up on both subjects on this thread.

Firstly, London Loopage. I like this myself. Past sweeps have been Paddington-Greenford-West Ruislip-Marylebone and Euston-Walthamstow Central-Chingford-Liverpool St-Romford-Upminster-Limehouse, then a spin on the DLR. These might give you a couple of ideas for linking things together.

Secondly, going back to your original trip, I am afraid that faced with a delayed trip from Whitby to Scarborough via Middlesbrough and York, I'd have probably got the 'bus via Robin Hood's Bay! ;)

Thanks for the looping ideas - that's exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for to avoid duplication.

Re: the original trip, I looked at that but I'm sure the last bus would have gone by then.
 
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