1000 lashes sentence in Saudi Arabia

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Today, at the end of Friday prayers, the first 50 lashes were administered to Raif Badawi that were his sentence "for insulting Islam" by blogging his views on an internet forum. This will now occur on a regular Friday basis of 50 lashes until the 1000 figure has been reached. He also was given a 10-year prison sentence.

 

[St Rollox]

Pretty puritanical.
Nothing like that would happen in these islands.
No hold on, didn't Northern Ireland and the Isle of Man do a nice line in "birching" offenders.
And Scotland only stopped belting schoolchildren in the early 1980s when one mother took the authorities to court.
Best not mention electric shock treatment for gays.
We can be a cruel bunch to each other, us humans.

 

[Bevan Price]

1000 lashes is definitely excessive.

But the threat of 6 on the bum at school helped to stop a lot of bad behaviour - especially from those who wanted to avoid it rather than risk behaving badly. (Admittedly, there was also a small minority who behaved badly, regardless of what punishment they might receive.)

 

[SS4]

1000 lashes is definitely excessive.

But the threat of 6 on the bum at school helped to stop a lot of bad behaviour - especially from those who wanted to avoid it rather than risk behaving badly. (Admittedly, there was also a small minority who behaved badly, regardless of what punishment they might receive.)

Did you ever follow the rules because you appreciated and agreed with them (including being able to see where/why they [the rules] were in place) or because you'd get a solid beating if you didn't? If it's the latter that sounds remarkably abusive.

The things people do to hold power over others yet nobody cares because oil

edit: doing the maths gives this as 20 weeks of punishment. That'll be on May 29th.

 

[Bevan Price]

Did you ever follow the rules because you appreciated and agreed with them (including being able to see where/why they [the rules] were in place) or because you'd get a solid beating if you didn't? If it's the latter that sounds remarkably abusive.

The things people do to hold power over others yet nobody cares because oil

edit: doing the maths gives this as 20 weeks of punishment. That'll be on May 29th.

Our school generally used written punishments for all but the worst behaviour. But most of us accepted the system and need for good behaviour. And we probably got a better chance to learn than happens in some schools today - no disruptive behaviour, no bullying would have been tolerated. The worst I got was a ruler on the hand, but in retrospect, I think I would have preferred a caning to having to waste time writing 100 lines, etc.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I stated this thread six days ago, yet it has only been given media time today by the radio and TV programmes.

Once again, RailUK Forums leads the way with "breaking news".

 

[Jonny]

Coming back to the original topic, this is one of the more 'respectable' Wahhabi-ist governments. Bad though it is, it doesn't surprise me one bit.

 

[bussnapperwm]

According to the news his punishment has been put on hold due to the Kings involvement

 

[Clip]

I stated this thread six days ago, yet it has only been given media time today by the radio and TV programmes.

Once again, RailUK Forums leads the way with "breaking news".

Steady on Paul - the BBC had it the day it broke http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30744693 and my usual daily newspaper!

all much earlier than your 'breaking news'

Though on the subject to us it does seem barbaric but we need to remember that we are not Saudi Arabia and they not us - no matter how much we/Govts try to impose our morals/wishes upon them.

Like Bevan posted above I wasn't averse to getting the ruler slapped on my bum when I was a youth at school if I was really naughty(a lot) or written punishment for lesser infringements. Done me no harm... I think

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Steady on Paul - the BBC had it the day it broke http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30744693 and my usual daily newspaper!....all much earlier than your 'breaking news'

My life as you will be aware still resides in the comfort zone that is BBC Radio 4 and "The Archers", now being somewhat of a "country squire" myself these days. It was mainly on the day when I made my later supplementary posting that this item featured heavily on the news sections on there.

Decry BBC Radio 4 as much as you like but at least it still remains free from contamination of the BBC1 "flagship" television programme...Bargain Hunt...

 

[ExRes]

Decry BBC Radio 4 as much as you like but at least it still remains free from contamination of the BBC1 "flagship" television programme...Bargain Hunt...

You mean that you haven't heard about the forthcoming announcement ................

 

[Bevan Price]

To add one brief comment. I have heard of schools where, e.g. for persistent lateness, pupils would be offered the choice of "detention" or "cane", and the majority would choose "cane".

 

[Abpj17]

There is, of course, a huge distinction between setting boundaries for children and whipping a 31 year old man for exercising freedom of speech

 

[Clip]

Decry BBC Radio 4 as much as you like but at least it still remains free from contamination of the BBC1 "flagship" television programme...Bargain Hunt...

I don't mind a bit of R4 when I want some quiet time in the office.

But Bargain Hunt has a new feature this year which makes it even better

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

According to the news his punishment has been put on hold due to the Kings involvement

This Friday was the third consecutive Friday that the 50 lashes section of the punishment has been set by.
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There is, of course, a huge distinction between setting boundaries for children and whipping a 31 year old man for exercising freedom of speech

I take it that you are not referring to Sharia law in what you say, as that is the law of the land when the punishment is taken from in Saudia Arabia.

 

[Butts]

What's the difference between judicial matters/punishments in Saudi Arabia and those meted out by ISIS ?

Not much as far as I can see, but Isis has no Oil which seems to prevent much criticism towards the Saudi regime

 

[Johnuk123]

What's the difference between judicial matters/punishments in Saudi Arabia and those meted out by ISIS ?

Not much as far as I can see, but Isis has no Oil which seems to prevent much criticism towards the Saudi regime

Although it's tiny compared to S.A. Isis does make $3m a day from captured oil wells.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

What's the difference between judicial matters/punishments in Saudi Arabia and those meted out by ISIS ?

Not much as far as I can see, but Isis has no Oil which seems to prevent much criticism towards the Saudi regime

Would this be because they both use the same Sharia law as their base for such matters?

It is only a few years ago when certain hard-line Muslim clerics were asking for Sharia law to run concurrently with the laws in Britain.

 

[SS4]

You don't need people to like you to gain their respect and obedience. Being cruel will do the job just fine.

 

[bb21]

It won't be respect and obedience though in that case. It will be fear and obedience.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Why do we view such matters with "Western" eyes and expect those who do not conform to our way of thinking to automatically be wrong. Christian religions in the West are seen to be less and less relevant to the western lifestyle, but the mistake to make is to expect the followers of both Sunni and Shia versions of Islam to follow any laxity in the way that their religions govern their lifestyle.

 

[Butts]

Why do we view such matters with "Western" eyes and expect those who do not conform to our way of thinking to automatically be wrong. Christian religions in the West are seen to be less and less relevant to the western lifestyle, but the mistake to make is to expect the followers of both Sunni and Shia versions of Islam to follow any laxity in the way that their religions govern their lifestyle.

Perhaps it has something to do with beheading people in public, stoning adulterers to death and not letting women drive.

Mind you there may be something in the validity of the last example

 

[deltic]

Why do we view such matters with "Western" eyes and expect those who do not conform to our way of thinking to automatically be wrong. Christian religions in the West are seen to be less and less relevant to the western lifestyle, but the mistake to make is to expect the followers of both Sunni and Shia versions of Islam to follow any laxity in the way that their religions govern their lifestyle.

It is often not the followers of religions but the leaders who enforce how followers should practice their beliefs. That still applies in some Christian countries. Many middle eastern countries had a long tradition of different religious groups living alongside each other without too many problems. Its only when certain leaders for their own ends rather than for any religious reason start stirring things up that problems arise.

You only have to read the 1001 nights to see that life in Islamic countries was very relaxed in many ways a few hundred years ago

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Perhaps it has something to do with beheading people in public.....

Do you mean like the beheading of King Charles I at the Palace of Whitehall in 1649 as a ruling monarch....or much nearer in time the last public execution in public was that of Michael Barratt outside the walls of Newgate Prison on 26th May 1868.

Not forgetting those who were burnt at the stake or were hung, drawn and quartered in full view of the public.

 

[Butts]

Do you mean like the beheading of King Charles I at the Palace of Whitehall in 1649 as a ruling monarch....or much nearer in time the last public execution in public was that of Michael Barratt outside the walls of Newgate Prison on 26th May 1868.

Not forgetting those who were burnt at the stake or were hung, drawn and quartered in full view of the public.

True but in the last 150-350 Years we have moved on a little bit

 

[St Rollox]

True but in the last 150-350 Years we have moved on a little bit

I'd cut that down to the last 50 or 60 ears.
Christmas only became an official holiday in Scotland in 1958.
Try explaining that to the rest of the planet.
Then there's the electric shock treament for the Gay community as late as the early 1960s.
All a bit embarrassing when one gay man happened to be the chap that cracked the Enigma code which probably helped in finishing off the Nazis.
Not to mention present day commonwealth countries which do a nice line in executions.
Almost moves towards an open society came from movements connected to the Liberal Left.