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Idea: Rail "Cruises"?

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Hail All! <D
I had an interesting thought earlier this afternoon that - Given how it's progressed and worked with sea travel over the years - "Cruise" trips (Railtours running over a number of days) could easily be done on the railways too. Unlike conventional sea-cruises though, ye'd always have something different and more interesting than just sea to look at wherever ye are in the journey. :)

At an operational level, I reckon it could be done fairly easily (For initial trials at least) using a rake of Mk. IIIs (Some sleepers obviously, plus unclassified seating, buffet, and an extra resturant car) top-and-tailed by 43's, with four drivers working in turn. Each driver could do six hours driving, six hours co-driving, and have 12 hours "off" to safely allow the train to remain continuously moving 24 hours a day. :)
Likewise, each locomotive could do a 12-hour "shift" (Front loco 00:00-11:59, rear loco 12:00-23:59) to reduce fuel consumption and engine wear...Although this would only allow 90-100mph operation, and might cause problems given the differences between "push" and "pull" operation. :|

Either way though, it could be a way of allowing horrendously long journeys like Aberdeen to Warsaw (Or London to New York via Iceland/Nova Scotia if the p-way existed) to be done in relative comfort, and if it were to become popular it might be worth building specialist carriages (With cinemas, casinos, shops etc.) to allow such services to be more like a "cruise". I suppose the only headache might be trying to fit normal cruise facilities inside the standard British loading guage without ending up with a two-mile long train! :lol:

Either way, it's just an idea that I had this afternoon...I thought I'd post it and see what other people thought of it. :)

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IIRC Intercity used to operate trains known as land cruises, although they didn't cover the distances you're suggesting. Royal Scotsman also operate something on a smaller scale around Scotland.

It's an interesting idea in theory, but I imaging it would be bit of an operational nightmare in reality particularly when it came to things such as fuelling and pathing.
 

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guessing apart from the path's fueling ect it would only take a sleeper set some mk 2's at least two loco's and well two set's of staff who would either change at a certain point in the journey or like a cruise would stay on the train and work shifts.
gotta say not a bad idea though.
 

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Certainly an interesting idea but would no doubt be impossible to pull off in the real world.

Wasn't there talk a few years ago of a railtour that would last a week, taking in all manners of destinations (that had been suggested by the punters and chosen by the manner of what NR would allow) in that week, with overnight stays? 47s were quoted as the probable traction, but not worrying about that it would have been a funky idea. Some serious mileage would be attained, that much would be certain. It never seemed to be mentioned again after the initial idea in the magazines et al, which is a shame as I'd have happily done it should the track have been required.

Still, I like the rail-cruise concept, it would be pretty sweet. Alas, it would need to be MK3s really and there's bugger all of them left.
 

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i know this is slightly off subject but do you think they may be a need for new coaching stock to be made evemtually let's say mk3's or even a new type of coaching stock to be used with a loco.
 

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depends on who gets awarded it, I think the're going for a semi fixed formation of 4/5 cars that can be coupled with end gangways, long list of requirements...
 

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I'm meaning in a way similar to a DMU like 158, you can shift stuff round, but it's a bit of effort. although they want carrages to be able to be changed within a normal service cycle, (overnight) but the formations joined and split in 3 minutes... (I'll read the full ICE spec at some point)
 

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A more appropriate semi-perm-coupled sets would be HSTs where the power cars swap around practically every day whereas the coaches only swap when exams are due
 

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so basically a semi permanent carriage formation with loco's that can be easily changed now that would make up for some of the need for carrige stock for railtours.
 

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Wasn't there talk a few years ago of a railtour that would last a week, taking in all manners of destinations (that had been suggested by the punters and chosen by the manner of what NR would allow) in that week, with overnight stays?
I think several tours have run using a different steam engine each day, but with the punters staying in a hotel each night?
 

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Yeah, you'd be right. I remember seeing a tour the other year that did pretty much that.

Probably the only way you could physically pull off such a trip by rail.
 

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I think several tours have run using a different steam engine each day, but with the punters staying in a hotel each night?
Last year there was 'The Great Britain' that travelled the UK over nine days (day six being optional) as follows:-

Day 1 (times)
71000 D-of-G - London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads

Day 2 (times)
GWR King & Castle - Bristol Temple Meads to Penzance (& rtn)

Day 3 (times)
71000 D-of-G - Bristol Temple Meads to Preston via Shrewsbury

Day 4 (times)
6233 D-of-S - Preston to Glasgow Central

Day 5 (times)
60009 Union-of-SA - Glasgow Central to Perth
60009 & 61994 Great Marquess - Perth to Inverness

Day 6 (times)
61994 Great Marquess - Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsh (& rtn)

Day 7 (times)
LMS 8F 48151 - Inverness to Thurso

Day 8 (times)
LMS 8F 48151 - Thurso to Inverness

Day 9 (times)
61994 Great Marquess & 60009 - Inverness to Perth
57601 + 47245 (T-n-T) - Perth to London Kings Cross
 

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Anybody remember the "Disney train". I never got to have alook on it, but i remember it being in the platform at Waterloo
 

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sorry 33056 i meant coxters post, it ran last year, it had a pic of the 47s, didnt mention steam ran though and it said it started from Penzance....
 

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Anybody remember the "Disney train". I never got to have alook on it, but i remember it being in the platform at Waterloo
Was that the Disneyland liveried Eurostar set, or a tour? In Hong Kong they have their own variation.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...JPG/800px-MTR_Hong_Kong_Disney_Line_Train.JPG
http://voyage.typepad.com/lfc_images/Mickey_Mouse_Train_Hong_Kong_Disneyland.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/__F0WPRv4nTw/RqCgUc29TcI/AAAAAAAABUc/ccHwSsrAJ0E/s400/disney+train.jpg

:lol:
 

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see also the royal scotsman - http://www.royalscotsman.com/web/rs/rs_a2a_home.jsp - pricey, but apparently excellent food and service, and some great views of some lovely bits of Scotland.

I guess that perhaps only Cornwall might have the same tourist pull, although you could do a tour of Heathrow, Oxford, Stratford, overnight to Edinburgh, then Edinburgh & Perth. This is the tour that many American tourist do to 'do Britain', but by coach, and staying ina hotel overnight.
 
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