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ScotRail: What are they like?

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I have used ScotRail services in the past, but going back a few years, so I have no idea what they're like now.

How are they for;

* Fares
* Punctuality
* Overcrowding
* Cleanliness
* Catering (where applicable)
* Use of appropriate stock

I am going up there in a few weeks. Going to be based in Glasgow for a few days but plan to get out and about one day.
 
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I would not worry too much about it unless you are going to be using them a lot in the next couple of months as they wont be running it come april
 

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All anecdotal evidence below is based on my travels in the Glasgow area.

Scotrail have really improved over the last few years in respect of customer communications when things go wrong. They communicate proactively via social media and the drivers make announcements to keep passengers informed and to set expectations. When really bad weather is expected (like tomorrow) they now tell people in advance which routes will have amended timetables.

Punctuality in my experience is usually quite good. I've noticed that over the last couple of years, a certain amount of padding has been added to my line's timings.

Cleanliness can be hit or miss, especially at peak times. But when you have a quick turnaround taking place on a peak train and the incoming passengers have left the train a mess, there isn't really any blame to place on Scotrail.
 

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All anecdotal evidence below is based on my travels in the Glasgow area.

Scotrail have really improved over the last few years in respect of customer communications when things go wrong. They communicate proactively via social media and the drivers make announcements to keep passengers informed and to set expectations. When really bad weather is expected (like tomorrow) they now tell people in advance which routes will have amended timetables.

Punctuality in my experience is usually quite good. I've noticed that over the last couple of years, a certain amount of padding has been added to my line's timings.

Cleanliness can be hit or miss, especially at peak times. But when you have a quick turnaround taking place on a peak train and the incoming passengers have left the train a mess, there isn't really any blame to place on Scotrail.

Do they have turnaround cleaners, or on board ones at all?
 

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I have used ScotRail services in the past, but going back a few years, so I have no idea what they're like now.

How are they for;

* Fares
* Punctuality
* Overcrowding
* Cleanliness
* Catering (where applicable)
* Use of appropriate stock

I am going up there in a few weeks. Going to be based in Glasgow for a few days but plan to get out and about one day.

Fine - they are pretty decent actually. Where are you planning to go?

Fares: Glasgow area fares are reasonable and they do some useful tickets like the Strathclyde day tripper or rounabout that are good value.

Punctuality is the same as anywahere.

Overcrowding: Fine really, busy in the peaks into and out of Glasgow but not bad. Nice new trains on many lines you see ;)

Cleanliness: Pretty good ( you will say awful ;) )

Catering: none on the regional services out of Glasgow. Trolly on long distance services

Stock. Depends which lines you use but nothing worse than a 156/158. Many electric routes with almost new stock. Some electric suburban routes are 314/318/320 - all are in decent nick though
 
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They certainly do at GLQ, I've seen a EDB > GLQ shuttle arriving at XX56, passengers get off, cleaners get on and walk through the train picking up rubbish whilst passengers are boarding. The train then left on the hour (ie. 4 min later) back to EDB! Impressive
Also, when a trolley is onboard the trolley-man usually goes through the train with a rubbish bag shortly before arrival.

Other nice things about SR are: the fast expanding free wifi onboard, the cheap trolley prices (£1.80 for a tea iirc.), punctuality in the central belt, lack of penalty fares (ie. stress free travel from stations without TWMs)
 

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Fine - they are pretty decent actually. Where are you planning to go?

Fares: Glasgow area fares are reasonable and they do some useful tickets like the Strathclyde day tripper or rounabout that are good value.

Punctuality is the same as anywahere.

Overcrowding: Fine really, busy in the peaks into and out of Glasgow but not bad. Nice new trains on many lines you see ;)

Cleanliness: Pretty good ( you will say awful ;) )

Catering: none on the regional services out of Glasgow. Trolly on long distance services

Stock. Depends which lines you use but nothing worse than a 156/158. Many electric routes with almost new stock. Some electric suburban routes are 314/318/320 - all are in decent nick though

Thanks for that DarloRich. Good response.

Oh and by the way, you'll be pleased to hear that I think Northern are getting cleaner. My trains going to work are always clean, but it's generally been the evening peak where they're not so good. However, recently, they've mostly been litter free.

Leeds station has actually been cleaner too, apart from Wednesday evening. There's some trampy passengers around! I mean, since when did a lift become an acceptable place to leave 2 empty coffee cups and a McDonald's bag?

Glad to hear ScotRail's trains are pretty clean though.
 

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Do they have turnaround cleaners, or on board ones at all?

Turnaround cleaners, certainly at GLC. What I've noticed at peak times though is that quite often most of the passengers have boarded by the time they arrive.

That's different to later in the evening where there's a bit longer for turnarounds and only the early birds are there to board when the train arrives.
 

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I have a sort of related question that doesn't really deserve its own thread. But how good are they at keeping connections out of Inverness between the branches and the highland main line?
 

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I'm not sure about services onto the Far North Line/Kyle of Lochalsh but I'm aware of two people who had the Sleeper held from them due to delayed arrival from the Far North Line
 

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Southbound, I have had the Sleeper held for me (and others, I hasten to add!) twice and the last Glasgow Queen Street train held once. Northbound I've always been put in a taxi.
 

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Sleeper is a bit different though! A taxi from the top of Scotland to London won't come cheap!
 

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The sleeper's timetable is so generous that it can be held for connections whenever desirable and not be late or hold other trains up.
 

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I don't use them as much as I used to, but on the whole they are not too bad. A lot more services that a few years ago. Edinburgh to Glasgow now has the choice of three lines. But two of them can take a while.
I sometimes use Edinburgh / Stirling Dunblane and getting a seat say joining at Edinburgh Pk can be nigh on impossible. During the day 2x 158 rush hour 1 unit.
 

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Generally good, and I would say better than the rest of the UK on the whole. I've certainly never been priced away from Scotrail off-peak trains. Advance fares generally have poor availability, but I'll often buy the affordable Off Peak flexible tickets instead which are still good value traveling solo (I haven't bought a Scotrail advance in years). Greater Glasgow is excellent value for money, although I'm sure it's still subsidised.

Punctuality
On the whole, good. When I used to commute in Glasgow, I was only late on a handful of occasions relating to adverse weather. Most routes are often self-contained, with relatively little competition from other TOCs/FOCs which must help. Of course, there is potential for delays on rural and remote single track lines - this can be an issue between Aberdeen and Inverness with a relatively busy timetable on a predominantly single track line, for example. I wouldn't worry about reliability if I was a commuter anywhere in Scotland.

Overcrowding
In general, nowhere near as bad as London. My experience in Glasgow is that loads are generally acceptable providing that the trains run with the number of carriages booked. Longer distance services can be busy on Sundays in particular, but it's often as much an issue with luggage volume as it is with passenger volume. I'd say I almost never failed to get a seat in 5 years of commuting in Glasgow.

Cleanliness
Acceptable throughout. Some passengers seem to be unaware of how to use a toilet, but that's not an issue unique to Scotrail by any stretch of the imagination.

Catering (where applicable)
Acceptable snack service on longer distance runs, sometimes with poor availability outwith standard hours (this is particularly true on Aberdeen-Inverness, where commuters travelling towards Inverness in the morning have no trolley service on the 2.5hr run). Not much beyond a basic snack service, but none of the journeys are long enough for that to be a problem. If it were to be improved realistically in the short term, I'd suggest that a better range of sandwiches and light lunches (salads etc) be made available.

Use of appropriate stock
Generally appropriate. The majority of their trains are commuter services serving the Central Belt, and I'd say stock is probably superior to what you'd find on similar routes in England (156s/158s vs pacers, for example). 170s on long distance runs cause some consternation. They actually do the job pretty well, but as I touched on before often have insufficient luggage space. Worst trains would probably be the 320s, which should give you an idea of how good things are.

Scotrail is generally a good TOC, and I have little to complain about. My biggest gripe is the frequent cancellation of seat reservations on longer distance routes. I'm a satisfied customer.
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I have a sort of related question that doesn't really deserve its own thread. But how good are they at keeping connections out of Inverness between the branches and the highland main line?

I've seen them holding trains to both Aberdeen and Kyle for a delayed Glasgow service (guard phoned ahead to INV with numbers en route). That wasn't a very long delay in all fairness. Of course, it's a balancing act. The services in the Highlands are infrequent, and holding connections is generally a good thing for customers. It may be several hours before another train comes along. Of course, holding the train will annoy passengers from Inverness, and may cause congestion further up the single track line which could cause residual delays for the rest of the day if you're unlucky.

I've found communication for tight Inverness connections to be excellent, given the rural and remote nature of the routes. In the instance where they held a connection for me by about 5 minutes, we were told what platform to go to and had station staff on hand directing passengers so that they could get a good balance. Top marks on that occasion Scotrail.
 

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Generally good, and I would say better than the rest of the UK on the whole. I've certainly never been priced away from Scotrail off-peak trains. Advance fares generally have poor availability, but I'll often buy the affordable Off Peak flexible tickets instead which are still good value traveling solo (I haven't bought a Scotrail advance in years). Greater Glasgow is excellent value for money, although I'm sure it's still subsidised.

Punctuality
On the whole, good. When I used to commute in Glasgow, I was only late on a handful of occasions relating to adverse weather. Most routes are often self-contained, with relatively little competition from other TOCs/FOCs which must help. Of course, there is potential for delays on rural and remote single track lines - this can be an issue between Aberdeen and Inverness with a relatively busy timetable on a predominantly single track line, for example. I wouldn't worry about reliability if I was a commuter anywhere in Scotland.

Overcrowding
In general, nowhere near as bad as London. My experience in Glasgow is that loads are generally acceptable providing that the trains run with the number of carriages booked. Longer distance services can be busy on Sundays in particular, but it's often as much an issue with luggage volume as it is with passenger volume. I'd say I almost never failed to get a seat in 5 years of commuting in Glasgow.

Cleanliness
Acceptable throughout. Some passengers seem to be unaware of how to use a toilet, but that's not an issue unique to Scotrail by any stretch of the imagination.

Catering (where applicable)
Acceptable snack service on longer distance runs, sometimes with poor availability outwith standard hours (this is particularly true on Aberdeen-Inverness, where commuters travelling towards Inverness in the morning have no trolley service on the 2.5hr run). Not much beyond a basic snack service, but none of the journeys are long enough for that to be a problem. If it were to be improved realistically in the short term, I'd suggest that a better range of sandwiches and light lunches (salads etc) be made available.

Use of appropriate stock
Generally appropriate. The majority of their trains are commuter services serving the Central Belt, and I'd say stock is probably superior to what you'd find on similar routes in England (156s/158s vs pacers, for example). 170s on long distance runs cause some consternation. They actually do the job pretty well, but as I touched on before often have insufficient luggage space. Worst trains would probably be the 320s, which should give you an idea of how good things are.

Scotrail is generally a good TOC, and I have little to complain about. My biggest gripe is the frequent cancellation of seat reservations on longer distance routes. I'm a satisfied customer.
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I've seen them holding trains to both Aberdeen and Kyle for a delayed Glasgow service (guard phoned ahead to INV with numbers en route). That wasn't a very long delay in all fairness. Of course, it's a balancing act. The services in the Highlands are infrequent, and holding connections is generally a good thing for customers. It may be several hours before another train comes along. Of course, holding the train will annoy passengers from Inverness, and may cause congestion further up the single track line which could cause residual delays for the rest of the day if you're unlucky.

I've found communication for tight Inverness connections to be excellent, given the rural and remote nature of the routes. In the instance where they held a connection for me by about 5 minutes, we were told what platform to go to and had station staff on hand directing passengers so that they could get a good balance. Top marks on that occasion Scotrail.

Absolutely brilliant post me123. Thank you.
 
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