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Crime falls at North Wales railway stations

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A welcome report from British Transport Police, taken from the Daily Post. 3rd January.

Crime is falling at railway stations across North Wales.
Written by Josh Morris Daily Post Staff reporter.
At Rhyl station, where there has been an average of 100 crimes a year in recent times, there were 67 recorded.

Colwyn Bay, Llandudno Junction, Flint, and Wrexham General are still hotspots, but have all seen reductions in the number of crimes reported.

The most common crimes were public order offences, with 103 reported, 21 of which were deemed “serious”.

There were 24 recorded thefts from passengers, 29 instances of violence and 14 drug offences. There were also 52 instances of fraud, almost all of which were ticket offences.

Also recorded were 88 “line of route” offences, which includes trespassing on the lines, throwing stones at trains and leaving things on the tracks.

Dai Davies, British Transport Police’s Sector Inspector for North Wales, said: “These figures, in the context of record numbers of passenger journeys, show the chances of becoming a victim of crime at Rhyl – or anywhere else on the North Wales rail network for that matter - remain extremely low.

“The rail network continues to be an extremely safe way to travel; indeed, people are eight times less likely to be a victim of crime on the railways than elsewhere.

“Although the figures show the chances of becoming a victim of crime are very low and that passengers are safe, we know the perception doesn’t always match reality and it’s our aim to make sure that people are not only safe, but feel safe and secure too.

“Officer deployment has been boosted by the establishment of a Neighbourhood Policing Team covering Rhyl. Officers conduct regular, dedicated high-visibility patrols at the station and on trains to and from Rhyl, and these additional resources have been welcomed by staff and passengers.

“The presence of police officers not only provides reassurance to rail users, but also impacts on the level of crime taking place. We are also focusing our efforts on putting more officers out on patrol late at night, when we know people feel more anxious.

“The use of CCTV, both at stations and on board trains, has also assisted greatly in carrying out criminal investigations. CCTV coverage across the North Wales rail network is well established, and in many cases this has proved to be an essential tool in bringing about a successful prosecution.

“Passengers and rail staff rightly expect a safe and secure rail network and we’ll continue working hard to carry on delivering a safer travelling environment for all.

Anyone who does witness crime or anti-social behaviour on the rail network can contact BTP on Freefone 0800 40 50 40 or text 61016.

Link http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/crime-falls-north-wales-railway-8376432
 
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At Rhyl station, where there has been an average of 100 crimes a year in recent times, there were 67 recorded.

The cynic in me wonders if the closure of the station building for refurbishment may have influenced the figures.
 

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A very valid point,I am sure you are correct, it saddens me to return to my old home town.Denbighshire CC BTW own the station buildings.

I agree. Rhyl used to be a lovely town until they made it the western outpost of Liverpool!

It's become a sorry state of a town thanks to the dross who have moved in.

We used to own a caravan on a site in Kinmel Bay and back then Rhyl was a pleasure to visit, not to mention thriving.
 

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The cynic in me wonders if the closure of the station building for refurbishment may have influenced the figures.

I'm not so sure about this.

When the concourse was open, before refurbishment began, there were usually two gateline staff plus one booking clerk in attendance, which must have acted as a deterrent to any potential vandals/criminals, etc.

It was presumably in the late evenings/nightime when there was more crime, but by then the concourse had closed at 1920, and passengers had to use the side-gate for entry and exit, the same as they need to now during the refurbishment work.

Also this theory does not explain why criminal activity has also declined at Llandudno Junction, Colwyn Bay, Flint and Wrexham, where there is no work currently going on.

Can we not just receive good news without being so cynical?
 
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I'm not so sure about this.

When the concourse was open, before refurbishment began, there were usually two gateline staff plus one booking clerk in attendance, which must have acted as a deterrent to any potential vandals/criminals, etc.

It was presumably in the late evenings/nightime when there was more crime, but by then the concourse had closed at 1920, and passengers had to use the side-gate for entry and exit, the same as they need to now during the refurbishment work.

Also this theory does not explain why criminal activity has also declined at Llandudno Junction, Colwyn Bay, Flint and Wrexham, where there is no work currently going on.

Can we not just receive good news without being so cynical?

I'll certainly rejoice in the good news about NW Coast stations in general, but I'm a little miffed that the article chose to quote figures from the one station to have an external influence on said figures. (However great that influence may be.)

Thank you for the overview of pre-refurbishment staffing and hours; I'd not had occasion to frequent Rhyl station often before the current works.
 
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I agree. Rhyl used to be a lovely town until they made it the western outpost of Liverpool!

It's become a sorry state of a town thanks to the dross who have moved in.

We used to own a caravan on a site in Kinmel Bay and back then Rhyl was a pleasure to visit, not to mention thriving.

I recall the ads in papers Liverpool/Manchester/West Midlands put in by Rhyl landlords, encouraging people to come to Rhyl and live in B&B accommodation.
Several landlords had bought up properties in Rhyl West,it was not long before those landlords who worked the seasonal holiday trade gave up & sold up at knock down prices due to anti social behavior.
 

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I recall the ads in papers Liverpool/Manchester/West Midlands put in by Rhyl landlords, encouraging people to come to Rhyl and live in B&B accommodation.
Several landlords had bought up properties in Rhyl West,it was not long before those landlords who worked the seasonal holiday trade gave up & sold up at knock down prices due to anti social behavior.

That may indeed have been the case in the past [and I'm sure Rhyl was not alone in this trend]. But I wonder about its relevance to current times, when, according to the original post, matters are improving.

Perhaps we should look with hope to the future, and a continuing improvement, rather than keep recalling the past?
 
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That may indeed have been the case in the past [and I'm sure Rhyl was not alone in this trend]. But I wonder about its relevance to current times, when, according to the original post, matters are improving.

Perhaps we should look with hope to the future, and a continuing improvement, rather than keep recalling the past?

I do hope the West End of Rhyl improves,part of it is being bulldozed at long last,along with a few streets in the Centre.
The West end of Rhyl has had £millions of funds pumped into it, alas I have yet to see the benefit.However the past is not that long ago.
I agree look forward.
 

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I agree. Rhyl used to be a lovely town until they made it the western outpost of Liverpool!
It's become a sorry state of a town thanks to the dross who have moved in.
We used to own a caravan on a site in Kinmel Bay and back then Rhyl was a pleasure to visit, not to mention thriving.
Is it and more sweeping statements yet again? As far as I am aware people from ALL places have gone to Rhyl amongst other locations in the North Wales area, as well as having "dross" in Wakefield and any other town / city in the UK, you care to mention.
 
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Without seeing some medium-term figures then it's difficult to assess the significance of these figures. It may just be normal variation?

Consider 3 possible scenarios :- (5 years of figures, most recent last)

A. 58, 54, 67, 110, 66

B. 124, 118, 106, 110, 66

C. 24, 43, 52, 110, 66

Same figures for last 2 years in each case, but very different long-term trends.
 

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Is it and more sweeping statements yet again? As far as I am aware people from ALL places have gone to Rhyl amongst other locations in the North Wales area, as well as having "dross" in Wakefield and any other town / city in the UK, you care to mention.

Wakefield's dross go to Bridlington and Skegness if they want to live by the sea and not work. Liverpool's go to Rhyl..... and Torquay for some reason.

It wasn't an attack on Liverpool so stop being so defensive. The West End of Rhyl attracted many Scousers as another poster has pointed out. I lived in Great Yarmouth for 4 years (well, just outside) and they had a similar problem, but mainly incomers from the Midlands, London and Essex.

I wasn't suggesting that Scousers are dross, just the ones who go to places like Rhyl and turn it into a DSS town.
 
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