New North Wales to Manchester train services

[merlodlliw]

Don't be silly, I don't know of any TOC where Christmas Eve is out of the working week. The annual leave quotas might be full I guess but I suspect the other posters are much closer to the money.

I will be interested to see if the stock is used next Monday, all four carriages,anyone know if it is programmed for Saturday 27th December relief.

 

[PHILIPE]

I will be interested to see if the stock is used next Monday, all four carriages,anyone know if it is programmed for Saturday 27th December relief.

The North Wales Coast Set is out on Saturday, wonder how many coaches:-

08 46 Crewe to Holyhead
12 22 Holyhead to Crewe
14 24 Crewe to Holyhead
19 33 Holyhead to Crewe

 

[Chester025]

The North Wales Coast Set is out on Saturday, wonder how many coaches:-

08 46 Crewe to Holyhead
12 22 Holyhead to Crewe
14 24 Crewe to Holyhead
19 33 Holyhead to Crewe

1933? I think you mean 1715 -

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/HHD/2014/12/27/1000-1800?stp=S&show=all&order=wtt

 

[PHILIPE]

1933? I think you mean 1715 -

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/HHD/2014/12/27/1000-1800?stp=S&show=all&order=wtt

Sorry, I did. I quoted arrival time at Holyhead.

 

[Rhydgaled]

No answer to my earlier question?:

I've only looked at the last two pages, so appologies if this has already been answered) are the newly refurbished mrk3s for the Manchester diagram the same interior spec as the TSOs on Gerald?

 

[merlodlliw]

No answer to my earlier question?:

I have no idea, but I presume the same spec as Pullman of Cardiff did for the WG contract, only one coach as been refurbed at Crewe,the rest are Geralds spare set, so I presume a trip would be the answer.

 

[SprinterMan]

Gerald is a 175 this week as the set is being used for boat train extras. The new set is on it's normal diagram. The extras are:

1K51 1222 Holyhead to Crewe
1D02 1423 Crewe to Holyhead
1K52 1715 Holyhead to Crewe
1D03 2124 Crewe to Holyhead

I saw Gerald sitting in platform 12 at Crewe last night (30th) and none of the platform staff seemed to know why it was there :P Caused some confusion with platforms as 1W97 1645 Llanelli to Chester had to go into 11 (instead of 12) meaning that 1D93 1910 London Euston to Holyhead had to go into 6 (instead of 11).

are the newly refurbished mrk3s for the Manchester diagram the same interior spec as the TSOs on Gerald?

Yes, as far as I know the specification is identical :P

Adam

 

[Chester025]

The new set is on it's normal diagram.

Unfortunately not, the new set has not been out since 23/12.

 

[merlodlliw]

Unfortunately not, the new set has not been out since 23/12.

Does anyone know if the new set is running today?

 

[Thomas6187]

It is out today but back down to three carriages

 

[Camden]

Reading the first post, I see that this train being changed from a class 175 is to increase capacity, but why to a loco hauled slam door?? Shortage of rolling stock? Something else?

What's the cost difference between a loco hauled and a coupled pair of two carriage 175s?

 

[berneyarms]

ATW has no spare rolling stock in terms of DMUs - that's why they have had to resort to locomotive hauled stock.

 

[Camden]

Retro

 

[merlodlliw]

It is out today but back down to three carriages

Cheers, I can only presume its using the three Cardiff Mark3s,I wonder what the problem is with the other Mark3 that's supposed to be ready.
Seems strange to run three carriages on a working day and thousands returning home from Ireland.

 

[185143]

Cheers, I can only presume its using the three Cardiff Mark3s,I wonder what the problem is with the other Mark3 that's supposed to be ready.
Seems strange to run three carriages on a working day and thousands returning home from Ireland.

If it ran as a loco today something's gone tits up as the 16:50 is 175003!

 

[merlodlliw]

If it ran as a loco today something's gone tits up as the 16:50 is 175003!

I had presumed it was a loco reading the answer from Thomas 6187.

Good job ATW have a spare 3 car 175.

 

[Rhydgaled]

I had presumed it was a loco reading the answer from Thomas 6187.

Good job ATW have a spare 3 car 175.

Wouldn't 175003 be a 2-car unit?

 

[Thomas6187]

It was 67001 today, as I dispatched this morning.

Edit:

Ran back to Chester empty at 16:06 but I can't work out how ATW managed to swap units at Holyhead without cancelling anything

 

[PHILIPE]

I have read elsewhere that it was a Traction knowledge problem.

 

[Penmorfa]

I have read elsewhere that it was a Traction knowledge problem.

Route knowledge - driver didn't sign Longsight. Set ran Chester - Llandudno - Crewe as booked this evening.

 

[185143]

I had presumed it was a loco reading the answer from Thomas 6187.

Good job ATW have a spare 3 car 175.

Wouldn't 175003 be a 2-car unit?

Yep. Rammed as well unsurprisingly! I wanted the 67 as well
I didn't bother and got on a hadfield train!

 

[merlodlliw]

Wouldn't 175003 be a 2-car unit?

Thats even worse if it was 1650 out of Manchester,I presume all this driver training will be completed soon, in the old days they used to send a staff man who acted has a pilot the driver.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Finally caught sight of the loco set at Chester tonight.
The 1650 Manchester-Llandudno tonight was 3xMk3 TSOD.
These are 70-seaters and the seats appear to be the same as Arriva's refurbished 158s.
67 001 and DVT 82308 made up the consist.
I was denied a ride from Chester as this evening working is too proud to stop at Flint.

 

[185143]

Wouldn't 175003 be a 2-car unit?

Thats even worse if it was 1650 out of Manchester,I presume all this driver training will be completed soon, in the old days they used to send a staff man who acted has a pilot the driver.

still happens on the Heysham Harbour train! It's booked a 150, worked by Barrow crews. Only problem with that is Barrow don't sign 150s! I believe the Leeds crew stay onboard bit I'm unsure where the piloting crew originate.

 

[Soyyo]

Thats even worse if it was 1650 out of Manchester,I presume all this driver training will be completed soon, in the old days they used to send a staff man who acted has a pilot the driver.

I travelled on this at 1650 to Newton-le-Willows yesterday, where I waited for a connection to Liverpool.

I noticed at Newton, that when the guard had got all the doors shut and turned off the orange lights over them, he gave the signal to the driver. The driver was standing on the platform by the cab, with another bloke. On receiving the signal, the pair of them climbed into the cab and the train pulled out.

Maybe this was the staff man acting as pilot?

 

[Camden]

I wonder how the staff feel, what with dealing with the slam doors every ten minutes or so. I can imagine how I might feel, particularly at the end of the day.

 

[Soyyo]

I wonder how the staff feel, what with dealing with the slam doors every ten minutes or so. I can imagine how I might feel, particularly at the end of the day.

Don't know, but rail staff dealt with them for decades up till quite recently. Speaking personally, I wouldn't mind having a job dealing with them - but then I am unemployed at the moment.

Also, whilst there are still people who can't be bothered, but I think more travellers "get it" these days and shut the doors behind them.

 

[Welshman]

Don't know, but rail staff dealt with them for decades up till quite recently.

I think the point was that in the past, many stations used to be better- staffed, and thus the conductor/guard enjoyed more assistance with closing the doors.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I wonder how the staff feel, what with dealing with the slam doors every ten minutes or so. I can imagine how I might feel, particularly at the end of the day.

When, in the 1950's, when I was in my early years of rail travel and all railway carriages were thus fitted, no one was bothered as it was the norm.

 

[Camden]

When, in the 1950's, when I was in my early years of rail travel and all railway carriages were thus fitted, no one was bothered as it was the norm.

True, however then people in those days also didn't mind walking either, walking into town, walking to work, and people used to do their washing by hand.

Level of comfort is relative to what you're used to, and I think most people would be aghast these days if they were to have to walk long distances rather than car or train it, let alone wash by hand.

Slam doors on long distance high speed services have the advantage that it's often quite some time between stops. Holyhead to Picc is around 14 stops with many quite close together. It sounds like quite a work out to me.