Doors open on moving train

[bluegoblin7]

I have never seen it on either the '95 stock or the '09 stock.

It did occasionally happen with the 67 stock though.

I encountered it regularly with all of the A, C and 67 stocks, and it still occurs with the D, 72 and 73 stocks just as regularly. I vaguely recall it happening on the 09 stock although not for a time; haven't experienced it on any of the 90s stocks, or the S stock.

 

[455driver]

He seemed decent enough to me. I recall quite fondly a pleasant trip on the loco-hauled VT S&C diversions with him in the late 1990s. I also met him randomly working a train on the Oldham Loop and had a bit of a chat between him doing tickets and doors.

Neil

I meant the depot being 'friendly' not the person concerned, gentle giant was how he was described to me, I never met the chap but being called a derogatory name continuously must get to you over time.

 

[GadgetMan]

I did look out for a RAIB report on it for a while (as I sort-of knew him, and had met him on a few occasions) but one didn't seem to be published. Perhaps if that sadly was the case, this was out of sensitivity.

Neil
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He seemed decent enough to me. I recall quite fondly a pleasant trip on the loco-hauled VT S&C diversions with him in the late 1990s. I also met him randomly working a train on the Oldham Loop and had a bit of a chat between him doing tickets and doors.

Neil
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On a 350? Interesting, as the emergency release is a 2-step one - pull for emergency brake (i.e. to break the interlock), then pull again to actually release once the 5km/h bolts have released.

This gives rise to the odd situation in the UK that if you need to stop the train *now* rather than have a chat on the passcom first, you should pull the door release, not the passcom. Germany has both, the passcom is green and the brake red (and the door release separate from both). Though on some U-Bahn and S-Bahn stock pulling the emergency brake also releases the doors.

Neil

Not true for 350s. Pulling the egress (1st stage) has the same affect as pass comm except the driver can't speak to passenger.. The driver can override the brake application and keep driving to a suitable location.

If it's a genuine emergency then pulling the pass comm and speaking to driver is the better option and is more likely to result in appropriate action being taken.

 

[DarloRich]

I assume this situation has been reported to the relevant train company in some formal manner............

 

[SpacePhoenix]

I did look out for a RAIB report on it for a while (as I sort-of knew him, and had met him on a few occasions) but one didn't seem to be published. Perhaps if that sadly was the case, this was out of sensitivity.

Neil
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He seemed decent enough to me. I recall quite fondly a pleasant trip on the loco-hauled VT S&C diversions with him in the late 1990s. I also met him randomly working a train on the Oldham Loop and had a bit of a chat between him doing tickets and doors.

Neil
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On a 350? Interesting, as the emergency release is a 2-step one - pull for emergency brake (i.e. to break the interlock), then pull again to actually release once the 5km/h bolts have released.

This gives rise to the odd situation in the UK that if you need to stop the train *now* rather than have a chat on the passcom first, you should pull the door release, not the passcom. Germany has both, the passcom is green and the brake red (and the door release separate from both). Though on some U-Bahn and S-Bahn stock pulling the emergency brake also releases the doors.

Neil

I think it might be similar on the Adelantes (would have to watch the vid about them again on youtube)

 

[Bletchleyite]

Not true for 350s. Pulling the egress (1st stage) has the same affect as pass comm except the driver can't speak to passenger.. The driver can override the brake application and keep driving to a suitable location.

If it's a genuine emergency then pulling the pass comm and speaking to driver is the better option and is more likely to result in appropriate action being taken.

Thanks, potentially (though hopefully not) useful to know.

Neil

 

[142094]

I've been told that on some stock that if there is wheelslip and the speedo drops to zero, theoretically the doors can be released.

 

[Robertj21a]

I wonder how we all managed to survive in those halcyon days when we opened all those slam doors and raced off up the platform before the train had even stopped.

 

[LowLevel]

The problem being that not everyone did except in your rose tinted view and they were a pain in the arse to clear off the platform or out of the cess following a failed landing. Not to mention the unfortunates who strayed too close and caught a door to the face.

 

[Flamingo]

I wonder how we all managed to survive in those halcyon days when we opened all those slam doors and raced off up the platform before the train had even stopped.

I remember a mate of mine going arrse over tit out of a door on a platform at Waterloo, and nearly ending up under the train. He had a nasty bump on his head, and a ricked back for a few weeks.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I meant the depot being 'friendly' not the person concerned, gentle giant was how he was described to me, I never met the chap but being called a derogatory name continuously must get to you over time.

That sounds more like it Sorry, I wasn't quite sure how to read your post. Pleased to see I read it wrongly (and apologies)...

Not good if bullying or similar led him to end it though

Neil

 

[bramling]

I encountered it regularly with all of the A, C and 67 stocks, and it still occurs with the D, 72 and 73 stocks just as regularly. I vaguely recall it happening on the 09 stock although not for a time; haven't experienced it on any of the 90s stocks, or the S stock.

It doesn't happen on 95 stock since the resignalling, as now the VOBC has to detect an 'Accurate stop', which annoyingly takes up to a second or two. But, pre TBTC, it was definitely possible to flick the buttons as the train came to a stand, as long as the train picked up a CSDE signal and was travelling at a low speed, then the doors would open. (I can't remember what that speed was, and it's not mentioned in the stock handbook!).

 

[67018]

The problem being that not everyone did except in your rose tinted view and they were a pain in the arse to clear off the platform or out of the cess following a failed landing. Not to mention the unfortunates who strayed too close and caught a door to the face.

...one benefit being that the chance of a door in the face meant there was less need to tell people to stand back from the edge of the platform, or for yellow lines

 

[bluegoblin7]

It doesn't happen on 95 stock since the resignalling, as now the VOBC has to detect an 'Accurate stop', which annoyingly takes up to a second or two.

I'm well aware; around a month ago I had the opportunity to shadow a Northern IOp through the evening peak - on more than one occasion a manual release had to be taken due to an issue with the 'Accurate stop' functionality! The seconds quickly mount up wit the extended dwell too...

 

[Goldfish62]

Apparently common practice in other countries to have the doors opening as the train comes to a stop. Result: shorter dwell times and no mass carnage on the platforms.

Well indeed, on the Berlin S Bahn the doors tend to be released at about 3mph with no signs of carnage.

I was on the Bakerloo line the other day and the driver was opening the doors just before the train came to a halt.

 

[Flamingo]

Well, in my job, opening the doors before the train comes to a complete stop is the beginning of a whole world of fun, consisting of breathlysing, urine sample, numerous interviews without coffee, and either a rebriefing (consisting of a Bardic lamp across the back of the head re-enforced with the phrase "Don't do it again, you pillock"), and being stalked by competence staff to the extent that one is afraid to leave the house door open in case they have followed you home and put it down as a door on the catch, or making new friends down the Jobcentre.

 

[cossie4i]

All SE services are supposed to wait 3 seconds before opening the doors.

This is to give the Driver a dwell time to think about if they have stopped in the correct location and opening the doors on the correct side.

Some do it some don't but all should.

I can't see the doors opening on a 395 before the train stops as it takes at least 3 seconds for the door to open (for the first time) when a door release is given.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Slightly off topic here but back in the 1980's it was possible to keep the doors open on the SNCF push pull stock that operated along the Cote D Azur. Once the driver set the doors to close placing your foot between the doors caused them to open again. The driver was clearly not aware of this and off we went! Once we had set off the cooling breeze on a hot summers day was wonderful! Memories!

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Will all stations eventually have something similar to what's used on the underground (the green boards)?

 

[SPADTrap]

Well, in my job, opening the doors before the train comes to a complete stop is the beginning of a whole world of fun, consisting of breathlysing, urine sample, numerous interviews without coffee, and either a rebriefing (consisting of a Bardic lamp across the back of the head re-enforced with the phrase "Don't do it again, you pillock"), and being stalked by competence staff to the extent that one is afraid to leave the house door open in case they have followed you home and put it down as a door on the catch, or making new friends down the Jobcentre.

Haha very well said I like it

 

[lewisf]

I've been on a southern 377 at Haywards Heath where the door buttons activated before the train completely stopped. Also remember the same happening on a 455 at Clapham Junction pre SWT refurb.