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Sounds like "The Twilight Zone" (cue dramatic music!) :lol:

At the time there were rolling blackouts and reduced voltages in force due to industrial action. I can only assume it was actually a "brownout" where there was a severely reduced power level and the TV was the only thing able to run.
 
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Oddly my parents black and white TV continued to function during a power cut back in 1970. It was rediffusion set but I don't see how that would have kept it powered up. After forty minutes or so it cut out. :|

That would've been the (re)diffusion part of the set, diffusion is the net movement of a substance from a region of high concentration to a region of low concentration, ergo, when the power cut hit, the unused power hid as far away as possible in a low concentration region and managed 40 minutes before it was spotted

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That would've been the (re)diffusion part of the set, diffusion is the net movement of a substance from a region of high concentration to a region of low concentration, ergo, when the power cut hit, the unused power hid as far away as possible in a low concentration region and managed 40 minutes before it was spotted

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However, the Rediffusion in this case was the company supplying the cable tv. ;)
 

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Oddly my parents black and white TV continued to function during a power cut back in 1970. It was rediffusion set but I don't see how that would have kept it powered up. After forty minutes or so it cut out. :|

Older valve TVs had some sort of capacitors in them didn't they? Presumably there was enough power stored in the TV to keep it going that long.


At the time there were rolling blackouts and reduced voltages in force due to industrial action. I can only assume it was actually a "brownout" where there was a severely reduced power level and the TV was the only thing able to run.

If there was a brownout you wouldn't really notice much apart from the lights being a little bit dimmer; there's strict limits on voltage drop for brownouts because of the potential to burn out equipment - they knew that even back in the 1970s.
 
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Excellent. That means I cant go to work because

a) I cant get there and

B) we wont be able to run any trains!!

:lol:
 

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How much tolerance do overhead AC and 3rd rail DC have for reduced voltage? I'd assume that for both, especially 3rd rail all trains would have to run slower and maybe turn down things like air con
 

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How much tolerance do overhead AC and 3rd rail DC have for reduced voltage? I'd assume that for both, especially 3rd rail all trains would have to run slower and maybe turn down things like air con

Last time I spoke to someone I remember 18.5kV being mentioned as a lower limit, but it would mean disabling and overriding the tap changers at the feeder stations that are designed to try and keep it at 25kV. A significant amount of these tap changers are local control only and would be very difficult to change. You would probably also find that the more modern stock will still draw the same power regardless, so you would (if anything) want to increase or keep the voltage as close as possible to 25kV to minimize grid losses.

The same holds true for the 3rd rail network, the modern (ac tractioned) units and to a certain degree RPA controlled DC stock (455s in their old guise, older LU stock etc. They will continue to draw a similar level of power until a threshold voltage is reached when they will begin to load-shed regardless of line voltage.

All modern transformer rectifiers have tap change regulators that will keep the voltage as close as possible to the required line voltage on the DC side, usually ignoring the effects of transformer and rectifier regulation (in the true sense of the word).

As a bit of background, T/R sets are usually fed at 6.6kV, 11kV or 22kV and incorporate several secondary windings in order to feed a 12 or 24 pulse rectifier (or sometimes a pseudo 24 pulse rectifier).

Further background, the rail sector's energy consumption for traction pales into insignificance compared with a significant amount of industry, who's supplies are individually switched by the DNO (sometimes even National Grid) at an HV level, usually on their own Tx. Industry cooperation will be being sought for them to shut down when the grid needs some extra juice.
 
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