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FGW to get 5 more Class 150s

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Excellent, will this now mean that the 158's used on Cardiff-Portsmouth will be in 3-car formation like Wessex did a few years ago, or run in 4-car formations?
 

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I find the News Release ambiguous. Are FGW leasing 5 more Class 150 carriages or 5 more Class 150 Units (i.e. 10 carriages) ?

The BBC News Release refers to 5 more 3-car units (i.e. 15 carriages) so confusion all round.
 

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I believe this is something to do with this

From theguardian:
First Great Western close to losing its franchise

Britain's least popular rail service, First Great Western, is close to being stripped of its franchise after it misled the public over service standards.

Transport secretary Ruth Kelly today ordered FGW to buy more carriages, increase passenger compensation payments and hire more staff or else the franchise will be terminated. The Department for Transport found that FGW, voted the worst service in Britain last month, misled passengers by under-reporting the number of service cancellations last year.

"First Great Western has breached its franchise agreement by exceeding the limits on cancellations, and also by misreporting those cancellations," she said.

FGW's reputation among passengers and ministers has reached a nadir after the company admitted that it had miscalculated the number of train cancellations between August and December last year. After blowing the whistle on the error, FGW subsequently accepted that it had breached the cancellation threshold in its contract.

Kelly effectively issued a yellow card to FGW, saying that failure to comply with a series of service changes worth £29m "could lead to the Government terminating First Great Western's franchise".

She added that instead of fining the franchise, which operates throughout the west country as well as the London-to-Cardiff route, she had imposed an improvements package including higher compensation for commuters affected by endemic punctuality problems.

"Any penalty would be paid to central Government. Having considered this carefully, and given that a penalty would not, itself, help passengers, I have opted instead for passengers to receive a better benefits package," she said.

FirstGroup, FGW's owner, declined to reveal how many "cancellations" had been misreported, but it is understood that FGW overshot the cancellation threshold in the run-up to Christmas when a shortage of drivers and crew forced it pull a slew of services. Sources close to the group said the miscalculation was "more cock-up than conspiracy" and FGW staff had not attempted to cover up cancellation levels in order to avoid a punishment notice.

Anthony Smith, chief executive of commuter watchdog Passenger Focus said: "Passengers have for some time been telling us about the consistent failures of First Great Western to deliver and our National Passenger Survey showed them as the worst performing train company. We have consistently fed back this information and pushed for improvements. We welcome the action being taken by the DfT and we will be watching First Great Western's progress very closely. Clearly if First Great Western cannot get this right then they should not continue with the franchise".

Andrew Haines, FGW's chief operating officer, told the Guardian last week that the company had underestimated the task it faced when it renewed the franchise in 2006: "First Great Western underestimated the scale of the challenge. It underestimated the strength of passenger feeling ... be it timetable changes, be it fare rises, be it service levels. It was a complex task, integrating three franchises into one, re-engineering and refurbishing a high-speed train fleet in three years."
 

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Excellent, will this now mean that the 158's used on Cardiff-Portsmouth will be in 3-car formation like Wessex did a few years ago, or run in 4-car formations?
Press release states 40% increase in seats so presumably back to hybrid 3-car sets.
 

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Here is the link to the DfT News Release which only partially clears up the confusion
http://www.gnn.gov.uk/environment/fullDetail.asp?ReleaseID=355303&NewsAreaID=2&NavigatedFromDepartment=False

It does not mention any specific number of trains or carriages. It just talks about extra trains and increasing train size from 2 to 3 carriages

Quote --Additional trains on the Cardiff-Portsmouth route - from summer 2008 until summer 2011 every through train will have an additional carriage to provide extra capacity. This will increase trains from 2 carriages to 3, an aggregate increase of 40% capacity. This will mitigate the crowding on one of First Great Western's most popular routes, which runs through Bristol --.

The Portsmouth/Cardiff services have not been mentioned much in the forums recently as I think that most users had given up hope that something would be done about them. So this is good news.

I have to say also that the condition of the current 158s leaves a lot to be desired. They look very tatty and FGW seem to have run them down. I am sure that a lot of people who would have liked to have used them did not if they had another way of getting from A to B. With smart trains and enough seats FGW might well see an increase in business. It is such a pity that they have to be ordered to improve the service when it has been apparent to all for a long time that the current service was woefully inadequate.

My daughter used to catch the service a lot to go to University in Bristol. On one occasion a single carriage Class 153 rolled up. That really was a mini train on a major route.
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I can also add that a lot of the current 158s on the route are painted with all-over advertising. It may give FGW a bit more income but it just further gives the impression that this is a second class service. When the trains are not washed this impression is even more pronounced, and this is before you have even boarded the train.
 

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I can also add that a lot of the current 158s on the route are painted with all-over advertising. It may give FGW a bit more income but it just further gives the impression that this is a second class service. When the trains are not washed this impression is even more pronounced, and this is before you have even boarded the train.

I don't believe I've seen any FGW trains in a commercial advertising livery. All 143s bar one are advertising the Visitbristol.co.uk website & there are some 153s advertising specific routes. Some 150s carry the debranded Wessextrains livery which advertises local places around the area and there are also some debranded Wessex sets together with some TPx sets still with TPx logo! All refurbished 'West' stock together with some other unrefurbished units are in "Local Lines" livery which features local names. To further confuse matters there are also some London Overground 150s in debranded Silverlink livery, one with FGW logos, one without!

Funny how they don't mention that most 158s on this line used to be 3 cars before December 2006 when the DfT took some units off FGW!

And as I've said before (and so have a few others), the main reason the franchise was so poor in the first place was 80% to do with the unaccountable civil servants in Whitehall & Bristol, the rest due to Network Rail and a very small part FGW.
 

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The large amount of problems with traincrew is absolutely FGW's problem though.

It's not too much to ask to have spares in strategic locations, I know EMT do it so why can't FGW.
 

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I believe this is something to do with this

It has actually been in the pipeline for a while.

2x150s were due to move some weeks back but the WAG probably moaned at the DfT who as usual bowed to their demands.
 

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But what Ruth Kelly has been saying has been going on for a long while too!
 

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Of course they are. It's one of the problems of the system we have running our councils and national Government in the UK with Civil Servants. Compare it to the system for the Mayor of London, one person appointing his own minions who do what he wants. It means things get done.

I have a very good Podcast from BBC Radio 4's Today show which discusses this with Ken Livingstone & gives a very good insight. It dates from 24.01.2008. I don't know if it's still online, but if it's not I have it in my iTunes, MSN me if you want it.
 

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Personally, i think its more to do with the knock-on consequences of stripping First Group of the FGW franchise. If First group were to forfeit the peformance bond on its GW franchise it would have a disastrous affect on its share price. In the current financial crisis it could easily snowball to a situation where First had to give up other franchises in a similar way to Seacontainers with GNER. FCC with its demanding premium payments to the government would seem to be particularly vulnerable.
 

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As a result of the reforming of trains, 3 158s are now at Wabtec at once for refurb, instead of two.
 
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