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Great Carrier Bag Heist

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Imagine my shock on being asked to pay a shilling for a carrier bag at Tesco this morning :o - I opted for the two-bob version that was of much sturdier construction.

Has this just started in Scotland today or the whole of the UK ?

Consumption appeared to be going through the floor in both Tesco and Poundland ( I bet carrier bag manufacturers are well peed off)

I suppose this development was inevitable, but who trousers the proceeds ?
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29677458

Minimum charge for carrier bags in Scotland introduced

A mandatory carrier bag charge has been introduced in Scotland for the first time.

Shoppers will now have to pay a minimum of 5p per bag, with many retailers donating proceeds to good causes.

In May, MSPs voted to bring in the new regulations in a bid to tackle Scotland's litter problem, but the fee does not just apply to plastic bags.

It has also been imposed on single-use carriers made from eco-friendly materials.

The minimum charge applies to all retailers, not just supermarkets.

Wales became the first part of the UK to introduce a minimum charge for single-use carrier bags in 2011, followed by Northern Ireland last year.

The Scottish government has estimated that 800 million single-use bags are given out by supermarkets every year in Scotland alone.

More than 160 retailers including Marks and Spencer, McDonald's and The Co-operative Group have registered for Zero Waste Scotland's Carrier Bag Commitment, launched earlier this year.

This means organisations have agreed to donate the net proceeds from the charge to good causes, which may include environmental causes.
'Throwaway culture'

Environment Secretary Richard Lochhead said: "I'm extremely proud that this landmark legislation is now in force.

"Our carrier bag addiction is symptomatic of our throwaway culture and has serious implications for the environment.

"Huge numbers of these bags end up as litter, blighting our communities and clogging up our seas and natural habitats, affecting many sorts of wildlife and marine species in particular.

"We want that to change and for people to stop and think about whether they really need to take another bag.

"Alternatives like bags-for-life are easy to get and are much more sustainable."

The Marine Conservation Society said the Scottish move was "a major step forward in tackling a problem that causes so much harm to marine wildlife".

The society has argued that it will reduce harmful litter on beaches and in the sea, and prevent many wildlife entanglements and choking deaths.

Pollution programme manager Laura Foster said: "We look forward to seeing the results in Scotland following the great example that has been set in Wales and in Northern Ireland.

"A 5p charge on all single-use carrier bags, regardless of the material they are made from, is a really encouraging step forward and millions of bags will now not end up in Scottish waters thanks to this decision by Holyrood."

Environmental group WWF Scotland also welcomed the mandatory fees.

Director Lang Banks said: "We know that in other parts of the world, charges for plastic bags have led to dramatic reductions in their use, as well as positive changes in consumer behaviour.

"A great example is Denmark, which introduced a charge in 2003, and now has the lowest plastic bag use in Europe, using four plastic bags per person per year.

"At present Scots consume nearly 800 million carrier bags every year, with millions ending up in landfill, polluting our environment and threatening wildlife."

Our local McDonalds has been giving out leaflets about this for a few weeks now, and I have heard about it from checkout staff at our local Tesco.
 
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Imagine my shock on being asked to pay a shilling for a carrier bag at Tesco this morning :o - I opted for the two-bob version that was of much sturdier construction.

Has this just started in Scotland today or the whole of the UK ?

Consumption appeared to be going through the floor in both Tesco and Poundland ( I bet carrier bag manufacturers are well peed off)

I suppose this development was inevitable, but who trousers the proceeds ?

Paying for carrier bags has been going on for years in Ireland. Many shops do a 'bag for life' deal. If you wear it out you get another one FOC. Mind you that deal is likely to be quietly dropped in future. The cost here is in effect a landfill tax. The aim is to make people recycle and compost their refuse and minimise landfill refuse, which inevitably includes large amounts of plastic in the shape of bags.
 
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I wonder if England is going to follow suit as they must easily use more carrier bags than the rest of the UK put together.

Didn't realise Wales and NI had already introduced the policy.
 

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Didn't realise Wales and NI had already introduced the policy.

Yes, it came into force here in NI last year.
Whilst it was a bit of a shock at first it really isn't a problem for most. It's main effect has been an 80something% reduction in the number of bags used. Here the money paid for the bags goes as a straightforward tax but it's main goal seemed to be a reduction in use.
I think that's worked:

What has been noticeable is that there are now remarkably few bags blowing around as litter. Sure there are sometimes a few but early last year there would be loads of the things everywhere.

Most people seem to have made the shift to using stronger, reusable bags ( I keep a few in the car boot) and occasionally having to pay for the odd carrier bag.
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I wonder if England is going to follow suit as they must easily use more carrier bags than the rest of the UK put together.

Didn't realise Wales and NI had already introduced the policy.

Yes, Wales has had it for some years. It is so simple and you might well be surprised how shoppers will quickly become used to bringing their own bags! At my local Tesco the vast majority of shoppers do so.
After all, our parents generation managed to do it...my mother always had her wheelie bag thing, it's only our wasteful generation that led to the proliferation of plastic bags!
 

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I'm quite surprised that certain retailers haven't gone down the US route and adopted paper bags - I think it's still only Primark and certain independent retailers who offer these. While they don't always suit our rainy climate, surely there should be more pressure on retailers to adopt fully recyclable bags rather than charging the consumer for plastic bags?
 

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I'm quite surprised that certain retailers haven't gone down the US route and adopted paper bags - I think it's still only Primark and certain independent retailers who offer these. While they don't always suit our rainy climate, surely there should be more pressure on retailers to adopt fully recyclable bags rather than charging the consumer for plastic bags?

Indeed Safeway Supermarkets in the UK (when they existed) used to provide them as I recall.
 

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Wonder if this will apply to online shopping deliveries. When I order online from a major supermarket, the goods often turn up in multiple plastic bags, usually inefficiently packed (many bags only with 3-4 items inside).

Why can't they just put the shopping in a large basket of some nature, which can be collected on the subsequent delivery a la milk bottles.
 

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Wonder if this will apply to online shopping deliveries. When I order online from a major supermarket, the goods often turn up in multiple plastic bags, usually inefficiently packed (many bags only with 3-4 items inside).

Why can't they just put the shopping in a large basket of some nature, which can be collected on the subsequent delivery a la milk bottles.

When ordering from Tesco, you can specify whether you want bags or not. Any substitutions are bagged so that they can be identified easily but most of the items are in stackable crates. It only takes a few minutes to unload them and then they go back on the van.
 

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Yes, Wales has had it for some years. It is so simple and you might well be surprised how shoppers will quickly become used to bringing their own bags! At my local Tesco the vast majority of shoppers do so.
After all, our parents generation managed to do it...my mother always had her wheelie bag thing, it's only our wasteful generation that led to the proliferation of plastic bags!

Just another demonstration of the need for legislation to remove certain items and practices from the public's lives for everybody's good. There'll be much howling and wailing of 'nanny state' and 'invasion of our rights' from the Daily Mail and the more wasteful and voiciferous members of the public, but fairly soon, it will be regarded as normal.
For example, who now would want the return of cars without seat belts, unlimited coal fires in cities, asbestos in various products, VHF 405 line TV, etc. - all of which had campaigns from combinations of commercial interests and some of the public, each predicting the end of the world as they knew it. Maybe there are a few on this forum.
 

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Imagine my shock on being asked to pay a shilling for a carrier bag at Tesco this morning :o - I opted for the two-bob version that was of much sturdier construction.

Has this just started in Scotland today or the whole of the UK ?

Consumption appeared to be going through the floor in both Tesco and Poundland ( I bet carrier bag manufacturers are well peed off)

I suppose this development was inevitable, but who trousers the proceeds ?

A Scotsman being asked to pay a whole shilling for a plastic bag must be like your worst nightmare.
 

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I thought the title of this thread may have been referring to my trips over the border to England to grab as many carrier bags as I can in order to avoid the Welsh 5p tax, which we've had here for some time!

I did receive a few dodgy looks once in the Reading Sainsbury's on Friar Street, when I put one item into each of eight bags... :lol:
 

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Paper bags are less friendly to the environment than plastic bags (manufacturing process for paper) but at least they degrade.

Most of the litter I see on my travels (including country walks) is plastic drink bottles, metal drink cans and convenience meal packaging - be it polystyrene from well known chicken / burger outlets or plastic sandwich packs. I would have preferred for all those to be banned (or carry a deposit charge) before charging for carrier bags which I can re-use.

Seems to me that retailers will lose out. OK, I've been to Tesco this morning and took my Booths cloth bag with me. But many times I pop in to the supermarket on the way home for a few top up items. I won't be doing that any more (I don't drive so can't have a supply with me at all times). As a Lancashire lad, I certainly won't be paying 5p or :shock:10p to carry my items home.
 

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I like the fact it's a minimum 5p charge. I wonder who will be brave enough to push the price up further and what outrage this may spark on the streets when it happens.

This isn't what they are protesting for in hing long is it?... Are we sure they just aren't being over charged for a convenience item?
 

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I thought the title of this thread may have been referring to my trips over the border to England to grab as many carrier bags as I can in order to avoid the Welsh 5p tax, which we've had here for some time!

I did receive a few dodgy looks once in the Reading Sainsbury's on Friar Street, when I put one item into each of eight bags... :lol:

As a Welsh resident, perhaps you can explain. The self-service tills ask, at the start of my 'shopping experience', how many bags I am using today. Does that mean it will charge me 5p x that number. I may be using bags that I brought with me, surely it means 'how many bags do I want to purchase today? I feel an email to Tesco HQ coming on.

As a foreigner, when I was last in Swansea and being unfamiliar with your ways, I just took a bag and put my shopping in it, didn't realise you had to pay for it!
 

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At my local ASDA, they stopped handing out the admittedly flimsy see-through bags a week or so ago and have been using the much stronger 'Bags for Life' instead.
 

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Whilst I take my hessian bag with me when I intentionally go on a shopping trip, there are occasions when I pop to the shops on my way home and need a bag to take my supplies home when they do come in handy. I just guess in future that I will have to put a plastic 'Bag For Life' in the bottom of my work and leisure bags.

I'll still be needing plastic bags though; I use them for a variety of stuff from putting in my bathroom bin (so I'll be buying plastic bin liners that won't fit properly in future), for my swimming costume and other wets and for other bits and bobs around the house.

Yet again so many people spoil it by being so uncaring they go shopping and take home loads of bags...
 

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I'll still be needing plastic bags though; I use them for a variety of stuff from putting in my bathroom bin (so I'll be buying plastic bin liners that won't fit properly in future), for my swimming costume and other wets and for other bits and bobs around the house.

Yet again so many people spoil it by being so uncaring they go shopping and take home loads of bags...
...but you could always wrap your swimming stuff in your towel! Used to do the trick when I was young and before we had to have a plastic bag for everything. I swim 5/6 times a week and refuse to use the bags provided.
 

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I thought the title of this thread may have been referring to my trips over the border to England to grab as many carrier bags as I can in order to avoid the Welsh 5p tax, which we've had here for some time!

I did receive a few dodgy looks once in the Reading Sainsbury's on Friar Street, when I put one item into each of eight bags... :lol:

I planning Rail Jaunts to Carlisle and Berwick for the very same purpose :p
 

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The decrease in litter is worth it.

South Australia was the first state to introduce the ban on lightweight plastic bags (heavy plastic still allowed if not supplied free, and biodegradable lightweight bags are allowed for fresh food) in 2009, just as we were also the nation's leaders in introducing a recycling deposit on pre-packaged drinks sold in cans, cartons and bottles. Since then the Australian Capital Territory and Northern Territory have followed suit, and there is quite a good deal of public support in Victoria for introducing both initiatives there - mainly from people in the west of the state who can see the difference when they drive over the border.

The heavy-duty bags sold by the supermarkets for $1 (as opposed to the medium-weight plastic ones sold for 15¢ which do admittedly make good bin liners which won't leak) are quite popular for all kinds of uses including clothes for the gym/pool/beach etc, and as a rectangular shape they also fold down flat for convenient storage. I always have a couple in my laptop bag and my cycling panniers just in case I want to stop on the way home from something to pick up a few things.

It works - when I was a kid and we went to Ballarat or Melbourne for the weekend we could tell when we had entered Victoria by the distinctive weatherboard cladding on the houses. These days it's weatherboard houses, coke cans and plastic bags blowing about in the wind.
Paper bags are less friendly to the environment than plastic bags
Not if you have a joined-up recycling policy. In Australia this has advanced to the point that it's posing a serious threat to the logging industry now that packaging materials and newsprint are all close to 100% recycled paper.
 

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Another plastic bag user here, this time for the daily removal of litter etc etc from our cats litter tray. Ok the bags dont degrade when we chuck m away, but you wouldnt want them too would you given whats inside? We are now having to buy bags on ebay for this purpose!↲
 

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I usually try and make sure my rucksack is empty when I go shopping, although doubtless I will get caught out at some stage. Nevertheless, I think this is a good idea to cut down on waste.
 

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Whilst I take my hessian bag with me when I intentionally go on a shopping trip, there are occasions when I pop to the shops on my way home and need a bag to take my supplies home when they do come in handy. I just guess in future that I will have to put a plastic 'Bag For Life' in the bottom of my work and leisure bags.

I'll still be needing plastic bags though; I use them for a variety of stuff from putting in my bathroom bin (so I'll be buying plastic bin liners that won't fit properly in future), for my swimming costume and other wets and for other bits and bobs around the house.

The great thing about the better quality hessian bags (remember where I reside :D) is that they also have an internal plasticised waterproof lining and also they usually have handles that are kind to your hands, whereas I am sure that plastic carrier bags were invented to incorporate one of the tortures of the Spanish Inquisition by both damaging the skin on your fingers at the same time as cutting off the blood supply to them.
 
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