WHAts the best loco hauled train?

[jspillman]

Hst, class 90,class 91

 

[starrymarkb]

HST is a DEMU

 

[jspillman]

I like EMT's hst's they sound good with the paxman vp185 engines

 

[Trainfan344]

Aren't HST's Loco Hauled? it is after all a Class 43 locomotive...

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Cue 17-page debate...

 

[Trainfan344]

Needs a like button

 

[Ash Bridge]

I agree with starrymarkb, a HST is a unit Class 252/253/254. Best loco hauled for me would be Class 52 on a rake of mk2a/b stock or a Class 55 hauling any type of train.

 

[jspillman]

Aren't HST's Loco Hauled? it is after all a Class 43 locomotive...

HST's are a loco hauled train with they haul mk3 stock

 

[bb21]

If they were truly loco-hauled, they would not have been classified with six-digit set numbers to start with.

HST engines are not true Class 43s. The 43-series number arises from the coach numbering 43-series.

You also need to define what you mean by "best", otherwise we all have different criteria.

 

[jspillman]

....................... I don't know what to say

 

[Juniper Driver]

Can't say 90 or 91 because I don't think I've been on one.I'd say Class 47 even though it isn't on the list.

oooh arrr,just remembered the Class 45's down the Midland main line in the mid 70's.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Classes 47,50,87 or 90 on a rake of coaches either Mk2 e/f's or Mk3's.

 

[Freightmaster]

Aren't HST's Loco Hauled? it is after all a Class 43 locomotive...

Cue 17-page debate...

As MidnightFlyer implies, this question has been exhaustively debated on
here and other forums/mailing lists many times over the years, and the
usual conclusion (and the reason why the question causes so many arguments
in the first place) is that HSTs are neither units nor loco hauled trains;
they are a unique (in this country at least) combination of both, although they
admittedly have far more in common with loco-hauled trains than multiple units...

MARK

 

[route:oxford]

Class 27s operating push-pull on Mk2 stock between Edinburgh and Glasgow.

 

[FQ]

47s, defiantly. Also 87s.

 

[Juniper Driver]

I agree with starrymarkb, a HST is a unit Class 252/253/254. Best loco hauled for me would be Class 52 on a rake of mk2a/b stock or a Class 55 hauling any type of train.

Doh...I forgot 55007 hauling me up to York in 1979.Magic.

 

[satisnek]

I can remember the time when a 'duff' hauling 'coffins' wasn't worth travelling on. What I'd give for such a formation today....

(For our younger members that's a Class 47 hauling Mark 2d/e/f stock )

 

[Minilad]

I can remember the time when a 'duff' hauling 'coffins' wasn't worth travelling on. What I'd give for such a formation today....

(For our younger members that's a Class 47 hauling Mark 2d/e/f stock )

I am still of the opinion a duff on anything isn't worth travelling on

 

[gordonthemoron]

DB Metropolitan, currently masquerading as ICEs

 

[Yew]

Class 89 Hauling the BREL International Coaches along the ECML

 

[168lover]

Class 17 and Class 37

 

[Rhydgaled]

Hst, class 90,class 91

My favorite modern traction is the class 91, with class 90s and class 43s (IC125 locos) fairly close behind. Your thread title doesn't specify modern traction though, so the 91s would be vying for first place with GWR Kings and Castles and LNER pacifics. There's something about a steam loco in steam that I'm not sure even the splendid class 91s can match.

As MidnightFlyer implies, this question has been exhaustively debated on
here and other forums/mailing lists many times over the years, and the
usual conclusion (and the reason why the question causes so many arguments
in the first place) is that HSTs are neither units nor loco hauled trains;
they are a unique (in this country at least) combination of both, although they
admittedly have far more in common with loco-hauled trains than multiple units...

MARK

In my view, the coaches in an IC125 are mrk3s, and are therefore loco-hauled-stock. However, a solitary class 43 only has one cab and is therefore not really a proper locomotive. However, couple two 43s together and you have something with two cabs, no passenger accomodation and the ability to haul trains. In other words, two 43s together make a locomotive, making one 43 a half-locomotive.

 

[180zephyr]

If they were truly loco-hauled, they would not have been classified with six-digit set numbers to start with.

HST engines are not true Class 43s. The 43-series number arises from the coach numbering 43-series.

You also need to define what you mean by "best", otherwise we all have different criteria.

that's by luck, not jugement. Chiltern class 67 hauled plug door set is best for me

 

[bnm]

47s, defiantly. Also 87s.

Are you definitely defiant?

For me it would be a Class 55 Deltic down the ECML. Only did it the once as a child in BR days. A few times on the main line on railtours since. Even trundling behind one on a preserved railway is a joy.

 

[shaun]

HST all the time, ok technically its a 'double' loco set but still the best.

 

[Boothby97]

In my view, the coaches in an IC125 are mrk3s, and are therefore loco-hauled-stock. However, a solitary class 43 only has one cab and is therefore not really a proper locomotive.

But then Class 20s only have one cab (and I'd class them as proper locos )

However, couple two 43s together and you have something with two cabs, no passenger accomodation and the ability to haul trains. In other words, two 43s together make a locomotive, making one 43 a half-locomotive.

I've actually seen a solo Class 43 running on the mainline

 

[Rhydgaled]

But then Class 20s only have one cab (and I'd class them as proper locos )

Ok, ok. A solitary class 43 is not really a proper locomotive because it has cab windows facing in one direction only, so presumablly cannot be driven backwards without assistance from somebody to tell the driver when to stop.

 

[alex17595]

Class 90s are my favourite

Ok, ok. A solitary class 43 is not really a proper locomotive because it has cab windows facing in one direction only, so presumablly cannot be driven backwards without assistance from somebody to tell the driver when to stop.

'A locomotive has no payload capacity of its own, and its sole purpose is to move the train along the tracks'

 

[al.currie93]

Class 37s for me

With regards to the HST debate: the HST is the same thing as the IC125. It is a train formation consisting on two class 43 locomotives either end of a rake of Mk 3 coaches, making it a locomotive hauled train. The class 43s are locomotives, as they are railway vehicles that can (and have) moved under their own power, are designed to haul a train and to not carry passengers.

The fact that they only have one cab doesn't mean they are not locomotives or these are not locomotives either:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/EMD_E-9A_Danbury_2.jpg

The fact that they have gangways connecting to carriages also does not mean that they are parts of multiple units, or this would actually also be part of a multiple unit:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...or_tender_(CJ_Allen,_Steel_Highway,_1928).jpg

 

[bnm]

I've actually seen a solo Class 43 running on the mainline

One has even operated solo in passenger service. Albeit in unusual circumstances, but most definitely the shortest HST 'set' ever used to convey fare paying passengers:

http://www.luxsoft.demon.co.uk/village/hst.html