Manchester Dogs Home Fire

[ValleyLines142]

The death toll has now reached 60. Words cannot describe how utterly sickened I am. How anyone can do this is beyond me.

What's worse, is that the suspect is just FIFTEEN years old.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29168971

Arson arrest of boy, 15, as dogs killed in Manchester kennels fire
A 15-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of arson after 43 dogs were killed in a large fire at Manchester Dogs' Home.

Police said the number of animals that have died is expected to rise.

Four crews were at the scene of the blaze, which broke out at about 19:00 BST in Moss Brook Road in Harpurhey.

Firefighters said the fire is now out and are asking members of the public who want to help to stay away while the other dogs are still being rescued.

Paul Duggan, from Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service, said: "Unfortunately about a third of the kennels have been badly affected by fire.

"Over 40 dogs have been killed or confirmed as deceased."

 

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Yeah read that this morning. Shocking story. poor things. I have seen there is a just giving page for those who want to help but forgot the text number, sorry.

Mind you there was another story about a kid setting fire to his house and killing 3 people too. Then another aged 12 who roobed another lad a knifepoint for his kicks.

unsure whats going on - terrible news day

 

[dannypye9999]

£30k was raised in a space of 3 hours and the donations are still pouring in as I speak which is very good.

Yet we have homeless children on our streets and HUNDREDS (not just 50) of children have died out in gaza and look....nobody bats a single eyelid or has stopped to think about donating to the charitys there. People seem to have more pride in animals than they do in humans. If it had been children inside this building last night then im sure nobody would be crying or have been as quick enough to donate or help as they are doing now - the outcome would have been totally different.

Its sad about these animals losing their lives in such shocking and inhumane way when they're supposed to be in a place of care and I hope the person responsible receives the harshest punishment for this crime regardless of his age, which is what, 14 or 15 so I reckon as always the police and courts will let him off with a slap on the wrist.

 

[telstarbox]

I think the comments about Gaza are wide of the mark. I agree with the principle people should care about this more, but people are more likely to respond to high-profile shocking tragedies close to home than in a faraway country. Also, the Middle East conflict has been going on for many years and so is perceived more 'in the background' than a single shocking event such as the fire.

Charities funded by donations from the British public are operating in Gaza, Syria, West Africa (where the ebola outbreak is ongoing) and other disaster areas. At the moment there are adverts on the Tube for donations to all three of these.

 

[Abpj17]

£30k was raised in a space of 3 hours and the donations are still pouring in as I speak which is very good.

Yet we have homeless children on our streets and HUNDREDS (not just 50) of children have died out in gaza and look....nobody bats a single eyelid or has stopped to think about donating to the charitys there. People seem to have more pride in animals than they do in humans. If it had been children inside this building last night then im sure nobody would be crying or have been as quick enough to donate or help as they are doing now - the outcome would have been totally different.

Its sad about these animals losing their lives in such shocking and inhumane way when they're supposed to be in a place of care and I hope the person responsible receives the harshest punishment for this crime regardless of his age, which is what, 14 or 15 so I reckon as always the police and courts will let him off with a slap on the wrist.

The DEC gaza crisis appeal has raised £14mn in the ten days between 8 August and 18 August.
http://www.dec.org.uk/blog/gaza-crisis-appeal-total

 

[jon91]

You can only applaud the efforts of the Greater Manchester Fire Service for managing to rescue that many dogs in such a dangerous environment. I think they did exceptionally well, especially considering that some of the dogs in the course of being frightened by the fire may have become aggressive.

 

[ATW Alex 101]

I absolutely despise of dogs myself, but I still think that this is a very cruel act and it somewhat annoys me so much why someone would do such a twisted thing.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The Manchester and Cheshire Dogs Home is a very well-known body and was established as far back as 1893.

 

[fowler9]

£30k was raised in a space of 3 hours and the donations are still pouring in as I speak which is very good.

Yet we have homeless children on our streets and HUNDREDS (not just 50) of children have died out in gaza and look....nobody bats a single eyelid or has stopped to think about donating to the charitys there. People seem to have more pride in animals than they do in humans. If it had been children inside this building last night then im sure nobody would be crying or have been as quick enough to donate or help as they are doing now - the outcome would have been totally different.

Its sad about these animals losing their lives in such shocking and inhumane way when they're supposed to be in a place of care and I hope the person responsible receives the harshest punishment for this crime regardless of his age, which is what, 14 or 15 so I reckon as always the police and courts will let him off with a slap on the wrist.

Mate I'm sure that if a childrens home had been burnt down people would have been crying and it would have been even bigger news if just one had died let alone 50. We live in a very generous country and I think it is nice that so many people have donated. Sadly there is only so much money around and people have to pick and choose what they give money to, I haven't donated to this cause at this time, but we do have rescue animals in our home. I have other causes I donate to on a regular basis and I donate for personal reasons. Billions of pounds are donated to childrens charities across the planet and they do get press coverage.

 

[muz379]

£30k was raised in a space of 3 hours and the donations are still pouring in as I speak which is very good.

Yet we have homeless children on our streets and HUNDREDS (not just 50) of children have died out in gaza and look....nobody bats a single eyelid or has stopped to think about donating to the charitys there. People seem to have more pride in animals than they do in humans. If it had been children inside this building last night then im sure nobody would be crying or have been as quick enough to donate or help as they are doing now - the outcome would have been totally different.

Its sad about these animals losing their lives in such shocking and inhumane way when they're supposed to be in a place of care and I hope the person responsible receives the harshest punishment for this crime regardless of his age, which is what, 14 or 15 so I reckon as always the police and courts will let him off with a slap on the wrist.

so wide off the mark

if this had been a children's home that had burnt down people would have raised just as much if not more .I donated some money to this appeal today , and would have donated had it been a children's home

For me It is how innocent these animals where , and how they would not have stood a chance locked in their kennels not understanding what was happening . I cant imagine how distressed some of them must have been .

Didnt the British public raise just over £100 million in 2010 when there was an earthquake in haiti ? and what about the money raised after teh Tsunami in 2004 ?

The problem with citing Gaza is that has inherently political connotations , I know of people that wouldn't be prepared to donate to appeals for gaza because of skepticism over the money falling into the hands of Hamas who would use it to purchase more arms .

People donate to the various charities out there for their own personal reasons . I donate regularly to a cancer charity as well as registered as a bone marrow donor because of family members who have died of Cancer . I have a friend who used to be a social worker who donates to the NSPCC because of things she has seen in her work .I have a friend whose son was in the army and was injured in action who campaigns for and donates to help for heroes . Neither of us is more right than the other for our choice of charity

 

[90019]

What's worse, is that the suspect is just FIFTEEN years old.

Can we set him on fire?



I am usually against anything like that, but this is something close to my heart and the little sack of sh*t doesn't deserve better. What can I say, I prefer dogs to people (in case you hadn't guessed already).

 

[Spamcan81]

Can we set him on fire?







I am usually against anything like that, but this is something close to my heart and the little sack of sh*t doesn't deserve better. What can I say, I prefer dogs to people (in case you hadn't guessed already).

With you on this one. It is inconceivable that he started the fire not knowing the suffering it would cause. Lucky there were no human casualties.

 

[telstarbox]

Spot on @muz379.

 

[Antman]

I absolutely despise of dogs myself, but I still think that this is a very cruel act and it somewhat annoys me so much why someone would do such a twisted thing.

May I ask why? I cannot for the life of me understand anybody who despises dogs.

There have been photographs of the alleged arsonist on social media and clearly this lowlife will be looking over his shoulder forever more.

If any good has come out of this it has been the fantastic response from the public and the heroic actions (and I don't use that term lighly) of those who put themselves at risk saving many of the poor dogs.

 

[muz379]

They've raise just over £1.25 Million now , and a number of local tradesmen have offered their labour for free to help rebuild the home . That's fantastic and with that money they will hopefully be able to rebuild even bigger and better .

 

[Jonny]

As for the OP's use of the term "death toll", well, how very tabloid. Cue the disproportionate response when animals are involved. After all, it's not people. Perhaps they can build something fireproof or at least more resistant.

Oh, and it's fair to say that Britain really has gone to the dogs.

 

[fowler9]

As for the OP's use of the term "death toll", well, how very tabloid. Cue the disproportionate response when animals are involved. After all, it's not people. Perhaps they can build something fireproof or at least more resistant.

Oh, and it's fair to say that Britain really has gone to the dogs.

Where does the money come from for better buildings? Lots of these places are charities. Many of these animals will have been bought as pets and then dumped. It happens in other parts of the world where such charities don't exist and there are packs of feral dogs roaming the streets with issues such as rabies.

Britain is far from perfect but it is still a very benign place to live.

 

[bussnapperwm]

I was sad to hear this, especially as all the dogs that I've had since I was a young un have all been rescue dogs.

The mindless cruelty by some members of today's youth make me sick. It is people like this whom the death penalty would be viable for...

 

[GatwickDepress]

A truly horrific story, but the response and subsequent donating from the public has been heartwarming. Here's hoping the charity is able to rebuild its infrastructure and continue their hard work.

I was sad to hear this, especially as all the dogs that I've had since I was a young un have all been rescue dogs.

The mindless cruelty by some members of today's youth make me sick. It is people like this whom the death penalty would be viable for...

Youth in all epochs have performed senseless and horrific acts, as have adults and those even older. These acts are not exclusive to the 21st century.

As for the death penalty... I feel removing evil is not the same as creating good.

 

[Temple Meads]

As for the OP's use of the term "death toll", well, how very tabloid

I don't see how that term is unsuitable?

Unless of course, you consider animals to be disposable, and well below the superiority of humans...
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Hope the pillock gets a sentence proportionate to the suffering he's caused.

 

[tony_mac]

In short, yes, I think animals are inferior to people - not many talk about the 'death toll' at abattoirs every day, and lots are happy enough to eat meat.

For some comparison, there are roughly 60 unwanted dogs put down at Battersea every week.

 

[fowler9]

In short, yes, I think animals are inferior to people - not many talk about the 'death toll' at abattoirs every day, and lots are happy enough to eat meat.

For some comparison, there are roughly 60 unwanted dogs put down at Battersea every week.

Fair enough mate but it may interest you to know that abuse of animals is considered to be part of the psychotic triangle along with arson and bed wetting. Two ticked off in one go. The police have caught someone who is a potential serial killer.

Why does it bother you so much that people are concerned about animals when so many more are blatantly more concerned about humans? Sounds like confirmation bias to me.

 

[tony_mac]

Why does it bother you so much that people are concerned about animals when so many more are blatantly more concerned about humans? Sounds like confirmation bias to me.

Is that question directed at me ? 'cos I don't recall saying much about the subject!

 

[fowler9]

Is that question directed at me ? 'cos I don't recall saying much about the subject!

You said a bit about it. Animals being inferior to humans, animals eaten as meat. You commented on a thread about a dog rescue centre being set on fire. If I have completely misunderstood you I apologise which I think I may have.

 

[Jonny]

I don't see how that term is unsuitable?

Unless of course, you consider animals to be disposable, and well below the superiority of humans...
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Hope the pillock gets a sentence proportionate to the suffering he's caused.

It's making out that animals are almost the same as people, and just because they are less important than people doesn't change the fact that they are important. I wouldn't go so far as to call them disposable, but that animals are less important in the bigger scheme of things. I wouldn't equate killing an animal to killing a human, for starters what about meat? (Like it or not, even dogs are sometimes eaten for meat). As long as we are meat-eaters, which most people in the Western World are (myself included) we can't make animals out to be the same as people.

The law of the land views animals as property with some additional protections, and that's about the right balance IMO. Some have said that what people do to animals, they might do to people but such things need to be done on a case-to-case basis. Even if guilty as charged (which is still to be estabished) then the property damage/destruction route (which arson represents when fire is involved) is the right one.

Let's wait until the full facts are in before reaching any conclusions (including whether the arrested has actually done what he has been accused of).

 

[ValleyLines142]

As for the OP's use of the term "death toll", well, how very tabloid.

Well what else would you call it? They died, simple as!

I wouldn't go so far as to call them disposable, but that animals are less important in the bigger scheme of things.

Whether an animal OR a human is killed it is still horrifying and tragic.

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that this isn't a tragic case? If so, then why has thousands of money been donated?

Sorry, but I EXCEPTIONALLY love animals, and an incident like this has broken me.

Let's wait until the full facts are in before reaching any conclusions (including whether the arrested has actually done what he has been accused of).

The little <can't insert too much here without being banned!> that did this has been released on bail. Just shows that the police can't really protect anyone and that one can get away with murder (literally!)

 

[meridian2]

As for the OP's use of the term "death toll", well, how very tabloid. Cue the disproportionate response when animals are involved. After all, it's not people. Perhaps they can build something fireproof or at least more resistant.

Oh, and it's fair to say that Britain really has gone to the dogs.

What disproportionate response? What has this got to do with 'pets not being people'?
This is much more than about pets, animals, carnivorous, omnivores etc. This is someone's livelihood that has, literally, gone up in smoke. Crass and impertinent responses like above are the last thing those involved with caring for the dogs need to hear. And if you see that as emotive and disproportionate than the only thing that's 'gone to the dogs' is you.

 

[Abpj17]

Hope the pillock gets a sentence proportionate to the suffering he's caused.

Later press stories are saying that the boy was recently out of hospital having suffered a dog attack....there is a deeper story there somewhere.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ews/boy-15-arrested-suspicion-burning-7763983

He was arrested, has been let out of bail, and his family have been re-housed to avoid any vigilante attacks.

http://www.itv.com/news/granada/topic/dog-attack-harpurhey-manchester/ http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/video-hero-neil-twigg-stabbed-3003458 << it's not infeasible it was this one given the age of the boy referred too; the boy suffered 'serious injuries to his forearm'

Fowler - seriously? A potential serial killer? (Hopefully you realise that comment now looks inane given the above?)

 

[fowler9]

Other animals may well be less than humans in some peoples eyes but I struggle to think of another species other than humans that would kill some 50 odd other animals for no other reason than..... well what was the reason? As far as I am aware most animals in the wild don't kill vast numbers of other animals for the f*** of it. If that puts us above them well hey, today I'm proud, I jest of course.

 

[Abpj17]

-_- the reason doesn't seem to be for the 'fun' of it, but some form of confused revenge against the dog that had attacked him...