Sexual Entertainment Licence on the Railways?

[route:oxford]

Reading the SERCO Sleeper on-board entertainment thread got me wondering.

There used to be a pole-dancing club in Oxford, but it was considered to be an unacceptable risk and the licence was withdrawn.

I know that the railways have a different level of licensing for alcohol and so forth, so what are the rules for licensing a pole-dancing/strip club on the railways?

Six Mk3 restaurant cars fitted with bars and bereft of tables, lots of alcohol, sealed drop-lights for safety and some dancers...

That would make some money wouldn't it?

 

[GarethJohn]

Can you imagine the reaction of the trainspotters that travel? You'd give them all heart attacks.

What next Prostitutes in the cabins? Russian Roulette with the driver?

 

[starrymarkb]

Someone I know came up with a similar idea a while ago, though they were thinking S&M. It took a lot of explaining that it's not a viable idea for a great many reasons (legal, practical, safe kink and financial!)

Mind you I do know a few Kinky Enthusiasts so I suspect they'll be OK

 

[GatwickDepress]

There may be health and safety issues involved with braking - especially emergency brakes - as the dancer could be sent flying around the carriage or smash their faces into their pole.

Not only would the girls and boys have to be trained to manipulate their dancing in flow with the motion of the train, but route knowledge could be proven handy in order for dancers to be aware of any tricky trackwork, such as points and crossovers, that may adversely affect their dancing.

It would also be essential that the strip coach not be placed next to the quiet or sleeper coaches, and that the poles see daily cleansing by train presentation operatives.

Obviously I'm not being bloody serious here! I can pole-dance though, so Serco, if you're interested in the idea...

Someone I know came up with a similar idea a while ago, though they were thinking S&M. It took a lot of explaining that it's not a viable idea for a great many reasons (legal, practical, safe kink and financial!)

Mind you I do know a few Kinky Enthusiasts so I suspect they'll be OK

Aye, lots are into thrash.

 

[table38]

Aye, lots are into thrash.

If it was Steam hauled, there'd be something else with a tender behind...

 

[Searle]

Russian roulette with the driver? Bring it on

 

[Sploosh]

intresting but finding a path to run it now thats the challenge

 

[185]

Oh no. I need a license to run my err....


Forget it. Doesn't matter.


*runs*

 

[deltic1989]

 

[hairyhandedfool]

....That would make some money wouldn't it?

Can't see there being many complaints if the trains are late either.......

 

[gazthomas]

I think once the novelty has warn off there wouldn't be that much interest!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

There used to be a pole-dancing club in Oxford, but it was considered to be an unacceptable risk and the licence was withdrawn.

When I was at University, my dancing sometimes was described as "extravagant", betraying my Slavonic ethnic roots....would that qualify me as a Pole Dancer ?...

 

[21C101]

Someone I know came up with a similar idea a while ago, though they were thinking S&M. It took a lot of explaining that it's not a viable idea for a great many reasons (legal, practical, safe kink and financial!)

Mind you I do know a few Kinky Enthusiasts so I suspect they'll be OK

Oh I don;t know, you could always run a pacer service from London to Glasgow, it would be very popular with masochists....

 

[GarethJohn]

They have already got the price of drinks on a par.

The unions will start lobbying for 16 hour days on behalf of its staff. Costs will be cut as on-board staff will do it for free.

 

[deltic1989]

Joking aside (for a moment at least), how would this work in regards to licencing?
From what I can gather (Googleing "Sexual Entertainment Licence" was an interesting 10 mins :P) the licences in common with Alcohol Licences are issued by the local authority.
Now, I understand that trains do not require a licence to sell intoxicating liquor, because of the amount of authorities it would pass through during a journey.
Would the same be true of licencing of this type?

 

[theblackwatch]

Not quite the same, but probably the closest you'll get to something along these lines, was the 'Saloon Discotheque', converted from a Mk.1 SO in 1972, primarily for use by football teams. There is a webpage about it at http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/feb/27/the-knowledge-football-disco-train

 

[21C101]

Not quite the same, but probably the closest you'll get to something along these lines, was the 'Saloon Discotheque', converted from a Mk.1 SO in 1972, primarily for use by football teams. There is a webpage about it at http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/feb/27/the-knowledge-football-disco-train

Or Mr Bulleids Tavern cars

 

[Minilad]

Not quite the same, but probably the closest you'll get to something along these lines, was the 'Saloon Discotheque', converted from a Mk.1 SO in 1972, primarily for use by football teams. There is a webpage about it at http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/feb/27/the-knowledge-football-disco-train

There is something similar running in Germany still. A friend of mine went on it for a St Pauli away game two seasons ago

 

[DaveNewcastle]

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Now, I understand that trains do not require a licence to sell intoxicating liquor, because of the amount of authorities it would pass through during a journey.
Would the same be true of licencing of this type?

It is correct that the 2003 Licensing Act seeks to exempt Railway Vehicles from the requirement to hold a 'Premises Licence' for the sale of alcohol, but this is not "because of the amount of authorities it would pass through". In fact, Section 157 of the Act specifically empowers a Magistrates Court to prohibit the sale of alcohol on a train simply if the train stops at at least one station within the area of jurisdiction.

Sexual Entertainment is regulated under the Policing and Crime Act 2009 which refers to "any premises at which relevant entertainment is provided before a live audience for the financial gain of the organiser or the entertainer". There is neither the exemption for Railway Vehicles as found in the Licensing Act, nor is there the additional empowerment to regulate activity on a train which stops within the area.

It is untested, but I can see little opportunity to exclude a Railway Vehicle from "any premises at which relevant entertanment is provided".

 

[Amberley54]

When I was at University, my dancing sometimes was described as "extravagant", betraying my Slavonic ethnic roots....would that qualify me as a Pole Dancer ?...

As opposed to a dancing Pole?

 

[TheEdge]

It is correct that the 2003 Licensing Act seeks to exempt Railway Vehicles from the requirement to hold a 'Premises Licence' for the sale of alcohol, but this is not "because of the amount of authorities it would pass through". In fact, Section 157 of the Act specifically empowers a Magistrates Court to prohibit the sale of alcohol on a train simply if the train stops at at least one station within the area of jurisdiction.

Sexual Entertainment is regulated under the Policing and Crime Act 2009 which refers to "any premises at which relevant entertainment is provided before a live audience for the financial gain of the organiser or the entertainer". There is neither the exemption for Railway Vehicles as found in the Licensing Act, nor is there the additional empowerment to regulate activity on a train which stops within the area.

It is untested, but I can see little opportunity to exclude a Railway Vehicle from "any premises at which relevant entertanment is provided".

Well then there is clearly need for a test case. As I feel a moral duty to be a pioneer for the good of our society I selflessly volunteer one of my trains to be used for this test.

 

[Clip]

I think once the novelty has warn off there wouldn't be that much interest!

Nah, this idea would never get boring. Ever.