Why do Class 360s not have gangway connections?

[samuelmorris]

IMO they look better without... just saying

 

[Carlisle]

Although I'm not aware of any 375 operated services which don't have guards on board, the guards don't have any operational duties within the Metro area. The driver is in full control of the doors in those areas.

Does the DOO area apply to 375s ? I thought it only applied to class 376 and Networker 465 & 466 stock on Southeastern

 

[Class377/5]

Although I'm not aware of any 375 operated services which don't have guards on board, the guards don't have any operational duties within the Metro area. The driver is in full control of the doors in those areas.

Thanks, its been awhile since I commuted on a 375. The 375 don't stop at many stations in the Metro area without dispatchers do they?

One thing bout the 377/5 that 'Southeastern' borrow is the run with a Guard from Blackfriars, but have run DOO to Bromley South.

 

[notadriver]

The 360s cab opens across the while width so I don't think it's a broom cupboard as such.

Now gps phones are the norm the days of standing in intermediate cabs to watch the speedo should be over.

 

[TEW]

Does the DOO area apply to 375s ? I thought it only applied to class 376 and Networker 465 & 466 stock on Southeastern

375s are DOO in the Metro area too. If you watch them being despatched you'll notice there's no guard to be seen.

Thanks, its been awhile since I commuted on a 375. The 375 don't stop at many stations in the Metro area without dispatchers do they?

One thing bout the 377/5 that 'Southeastern' borrow is the run with a Guard from Blackfriars, but have run DOO to Bromley South.

I think there's some towards Maidstone East. The line is obviously equipped for DOO as far as Otford at least for the Catford Loop services to Sevenoaks, but I don't know when the guards start controlling the doors on the Maidstone/Ashford services. I remember a story a while back where the guard was assisting a passenger at a station round there and the driver didn't realise and left without him. The service then had to be cancelled at the next stop as the service was no longer DOO. I presume that wouldn't have happened if there had been a dispatcher.

On one of the evening SE/FCC joint services before I saw the guard board at St Pancras, but obviously they weren't involved with dispatch at that point.

 

[Carlisle]

375s are DOO in the Metro area too. If you watch them being despatched you'll notice there's no guard to be seen.

cheers thanks for clarifying that point

 

[Class377/5]

I think there's some towards Maidstone East. The line is obviously equipped for DOO as far as Otford at least for the Catford Loop services to Sevenoaks, but I don't know when the guards start controlling the doors on the Maidstone/Ashford services. I remember a story a while back where the guard was assisting a passenger at a station round there and the driver didn't realise and left without him. The service then had to be cancelled at the next stop as the service was no longer DOO. I presume that wouldn't have happened if there had been a dispatcher.

On one of the evening SE/FCC joint services before I saw the guard board at St Pancras, but obviously they weren't involved with dispatch at that point.

Ah yes as the 319s use part of the route so the equipment is there for certain types of units.

The joint Ashford/Rochester, the guards join the train at St Pancras (getting off HS1 services) or Blackfriars. From Blackfriars the train operates with a guard.

I was once on a 395 that forget the guard at St Pancras. We found out at Stratford and terminated at Ebbsfleet.

 

[badassunicorn]

If I remember rightly, the only reason the 379's have corridor connections is so the catering trolley can get through easily, but obviously most GEML services bar the intercity sets don't have catering on board.

 

[Eng274]

Not strictly related to any of the discussion, but since FSR introduced through services from Ayr - Edinburgh - North berwick, does a guard join the service at glasgow central to do the non-DOO portion of the service?

 

[SpacePhoenix]

If I remember rightly, the only reason the 379's have corridor connections is so the catering trolley can get through easily, but obviously most GEML services bar the intercity sets don't have catering on board.

If no trains were to have catering trolleys, how many classes do do have coridoor connections might have been built without them?

 

[gazthomas]

I once looked through the window to inside a 350 cab whilst it was stopped in a station - it looked very cramped, I pity the poor driver who has to sit in an area the size of a tiny cupboard for more than one hour!

The 375s don't have DOO cameras but work with a guard.

I thought gangwayed/emergency door units such as 313/317 and 319 are DOO without cameras?

 

[Class377/5]

I thought gangwayed/emergency door units such as 313/317 and 319 are DOO without cameras?

They are but different routes apply.

 

[BestWestern]

Is it just me then who thinks it a no brainer that all multiple units should have through gangways?! It 's just common sense surely, as is standardisation in general. It would have been nice if ten years or so back some bright spark had decided that all future newbuilds should be operationally compatible as well, but of course such joined up thinking just doesn't happen!

 

[455driver]

When the 360s were being built there was no requirement for them to have gangways so the accountant wouldnt sanction anything which wasnt required, they cannot allow extra expenditure on "nice to haves" which may or may not be used in the future.

As for your standard requirements, you are correct, many many years ago some bright spark did all that and came up with a new set of standards for all rolling stock. A few years later he moved on and some other bright spark was given the job and because technology had improved he decided that a new set of standards (which took into account the new technology) were needed. A couple of years later he was moved on and another bright spark was moved in and guess what he thought?

 

[AM9]

When the 360s were being built there was no requirement for them to have gangways so the accountant wouldnt sanction anything which wasnt required, they cannot allow extra expenditure on "nice to haves" which may or may not be used in the future.

As for your standard requirements, you are correct, many many years ago some bright spark did all that and came up with a new set of standards for all rolling stock. A few years later he moved on and some other bright spark was given the job and because technology had improved he decided that a new set of standards (which took into account the new technology) were needed. A couple of years later he was moved on and another bright spark was moved in and guess what he thought?

That's probably the way it was, however corridor connections are hardly 'new or improved technology', well they were for the 4CORs back in the '30s, but they have been applied (or not) to MUs ever since then.
If signal and other driver sightings are a problem, then fix those permanently for the line. The only exceptions would then be fixed formation stock, e.g. 345s and 700s, & any high-speed stock, e.g. 800s.

 

[whhistle]

I once looked through the window to inside a 350 cab whilst it was stopped in a station - it looked very cramped, I pity the poor driver who has to sit in an area the size of a tiny cupboard for more than one hour!

Almost akin to the 153 cabs...

 

[AM9]

Almost akin to the 153 cabs...

That's down to the specification placed on the designers.

 

[plastictaffy]

Was a 360 with gangway even an option?

Isn't that called a 350??

 

[Class377/5]

Isn't that called a 350??

Indeed 360201-204 were built as 350/0 with gangways.