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Any tips for rail in Paris?

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Picasso

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Hello,

It's hard to give you some good advices, since you don't seem to have a good knowledge of the Paris area.

At first, like many other places in the world, if you want to visit and enjoy a stay in Paris, choose a hotel in Paris, not in the suburbs. Choosing a hotel in the suburbs are like people who want to visit Venice and take a hotel in an anomynous and often ugly place in mainland like Venezia Mestre. They ruin their stay by problems of transports and a stay in a hotel in an unpleasant place. Paris is an expensive city and a good stay will cost you the right amount of money, including an expensive hotel. There is no other way of enjoying your trip. Sorry to be rough like this.

You may forget all the stations along the line from CDG to Paris to find a place to stay. Otherwise your wife will never follow you for a next trip ;)

Versailles could be a good place to stay, not too far from Paris, and very well served by frequent trains on 3 different lines and stations. It's a rich city and a place for tourists. But, the only Novotel I found in the area is at Le Chesnay (despite it's called Novotel Château de Versailles, typical false adertisement from hotels Accor), located at a very noisy roundabout (heavy road traffic). This hotel is not really at a walking distance from any stations in Versailles. And far from places of interest in Versailles, including restaurants and bars. Maybe you could consider the Ibis hotel, just in front of Versailles Rive gauche station. Of course, Ibis are less stylish than Novotel, but at least it's well located for rail travellers.

A couple of other answers. Yes, there are some loco hauled trains at Versailles-Chantiers, push-pull suburban trains and some unfrequent Paris Le Mans services on week days.

You may of course use the trains from Paris St Lazare to Versailles Rive Droite. They provide a good service (4 trains an hour until 9pm, 2 trains an hour after this). Lines which have the RER label are mainly routes from one suburb to an opposite one through Paris, with a good frequency (but much better on lines operated by RATP than those operated by SNCF). Otherwise suburban trains which are not labelled "RER" have a quite similar service.

A last advice, use Google maps pedestrian itineraries services for your walking trips, and ratp.fr or transilien.com for your train plans. I checked for you, from Roissy CDG to Versailles Rive Gauche, it' a 1h46' trip !

Good luck.
 
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Friday

Land CDG 16:50

RER Blue line for a B3 from CDG to St-Michel Notre Dame and change to yellow line for a C5 service to Versailles Rive Gauche.

Then spend Friday evening wandering around the Versailles suburbs, which I'm sure will be a lot more chilled out than the city centre and will ease me back in to a bit of schoolboy French. If our wander extended as far as Versailles Chantiers - are there any passing freight or loco hauled possibilities?

Sounds sensible. I'd still choose a train which is non-stop until Gare de Nord though, but that is my personal (perhaps over-cautious) preference. Versailles chantiers will have the loco-hauled services on the line N, Alstom Prima BB 27300 locomotives on load 7 push-pull rakes.
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Saturday

EARLY start and a day ticket to get from Versailles - Château - Rive-Gauche into the city centre and back, with the intention of arriving at the Eiffel tower for opening time and going right to the top. After which we will walk across the Seine, pass Musee National de la Marine, and walk down Av. D'Lena to the Arc de Triomph. Go up the Arc and then afterwards walk down the Champs Elysees to Place Concorde, back across the Seine and then head back to Versailles from Invalides.

That sounds like it could be a long day - don't underestimate the time that you may have to spend in the queues at the Eiffel Tower. An early start is therefore very well advised. Arc de Triomphe building work will be finished by then, so you'll be able to walk all around the top. If you're under 26, present your passport and entry is free!
 

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SO - how does this sound to those with Paris knowledge?
Am I being too ambitious giving the limited time that we have?
What would be the best RER tickets to get?

Also possibly a silly question, the nearest train station in Versaille to where I'm staying is actually the Versailles - Rive Droite, but this isn't on the RER network, so I haven't really considered using it, presuming it would be easier to stick to one network. Can anyone think of a logical reason why I should use it instead of the RER within my plans?

I would tempted to say that on this occasion, the Paris Visite may actually be your best option. I mean Roissy CDG is in Zone 5, you yourself are staying in Zone 4, so this time the Paris Visite is not the rip-off that it can be and looks a sensible choice in all honesty. The Transilien.com site isn't working properly for me at the moment, so unfortunately I can't calculate what one-off tickets would be CDG > Versailles, Versailles > Paris etc.

Versailles Rive Droite is a perfectly logical choice to use, especially if you're going to Western Paris, as it gets you to La Defense from where you can pick up the RER A easily. Otherwise, RER C -> RER A involves a change at the depressing Chatelet les Halles after having picked up the equally depressing line B. Versailles Rive Droite to Paris St Lazare (terminus of the line) is a shade under half an hour.
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Probably over-cautious, but I choose non-stop service myself, as far as possible, when I have to go to CDG.

I'll be doing exactly the same myself in a few weeks time!
 
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You can get to CDG airport by local bus 350 or 351 on a Mobilis ticket, although that will obviously take much longer, but it does get around having to get a Paris Visite ticket, or paying the inflated RER airport fare.

Note, in peak hours, there is no non-stop RER service to CDG.
 

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If you are intending to 'truly visit' (not just look at from outside like I usually do!) then Paris Visite is probably not a rip off in this instance.

The Novotel is indeed on the 'wrong' side of Versailles for the stations - 38 mins walk from Versailles Chantiers - a long evening stroll. But Chantiers does have 'proper' trains ie BB7600 broken noses on Rambouillet trains and some of the last surviving 1960s design BB8500 locos on Cartres trains, as well as outer suburban BB27300s.

There is a local bus service but its web site is refusing me access to the plans and timetables!





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The Phebus site is now working. The system map

http://www.phebus.tm.fr/sites/default/files/pdf/Phebus.pdf

shows that bus 'B' runs to Gare de Chantiers from the Novotel (Place de la Loi)

It is frequent throughout the day, but the last bus is at 2105. After that, there is night bus '1', timed to connect with trains from Paris.

http://www.phebus.tm.fr/sites/default/files/pdf/Horaires/Ligne%20B/B%20-%20Rentr%E9e%202013-2014.pdf

http://www.phebus.tm.fr/sites/defau...nuit/Nuit%201%20-%20Rentr%E9e%202013-2014.pdf
 
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