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williamn

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Sorry if this was mentioned elsewhere, couldn't see it. Seem to be fairly chaotic scenes on Eurostar today. Seems that they are routinely bad at handling service disruption.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27074444

Channel Tunnel train delays cause 'chaos'



Channel Tunnel rail passengers face major delays after a series of problems caused a backlog to services.

A Eurotunnel train broke down in one tunnel, while a technical issue closed the other tunnel. Both have been fixed.

But the ensuing delays have affected passenger and freight services. A fatality near Lille further delayed Eurostar passenger trains.

The BBC's Paul Moss, who was waiting for a Eurostar train in Paris, said the scene there was "extraordinary chaos".

Eurostar spokesman Leigh Calder said the firm was "incredibly sorry" for the disruption, especially as so many passengers were trying to get away for the Easter weekend.

He confirmed 14 out of 44 Eurostar trains due to run on Thursday - which can each hold 750 passengers - had been cancelled.....
 
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I really feel for the many thousands of people who have had their Easter plans ruined. (BBC reports 14 cancelled Eurostar trains, each with up to 750 passengers). With all trains probably already very heavily booked tomorrow, many of them will probably not get away at all.

One of my (young) colleagues at work is travelling from London to Paris tonight. He was unable to get a reasonably-priced ticket on Eurostar so decided to get the overnight bus instead - and I bet he's glad he did, as he'll be in Paris in time for breakfast and not still stuck at St. Pancras. And I'm very glad that I chose to fly to Basel tomorrow morning and not take the train.
 

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You've got to feel for those caught up in it, but not a terrible lot could be done about the delays. It's all incredibly unfortunate that multiple problems came together on one of their busiest days.

There was a fatality near Lille late morning/lunchtime which caused severe delays, a failed train in the tunnel and OHLE problems in the other tunnel which meant single line working had to be implemented for some of the tunnel. Trains backed up, became massively delayed and it's difficult to make up time with Eurostar. You can't really miss stops or minimise turnaround times without cancellations. Some services were 300+ minutes late.

Then of course, there are no real alternative routes. (Some would argue Highspeed to Dover, boat over and then onward, but that means more expense for passengers, would take forever and there were ferry delays too). The lack of alternative routes meant that people just had to wait... and wait they did. St Pancras was like a cattle market, queues of people waiting for services, which isn't ideal when service resumes.

There is then the issue that the last services would normally leave St Pancras just after 2000. A possession in France overnight means that the last train must leave at 2130, otherwise it won't get through. If you have a train that you know will not leave until 2200 because it's so delayed, there isn't much more that can be done than cancel it.

All in all, a fairly chaotic day for Eurostar.

P.s Squaddie, good luck to your colleague! 6 hours delays via Euroshuttle and probably delays on the ferries from people abandoning the tunnel and using those instead!
 
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I think it is summed up by the fact the article has a quote saying they would be running trains all night and another saying that all services have to be clear by a certain time before line closures.

Left hand, right hand.
 

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I think it is summed up by the fact the article has a quote saying they would be running trains all night and another saying that all services have to be clear by a certain time before line closures.

Left hand, right hand.

I think that confusion is that they're referring to two different services. There will be Euroshuttle departures all night to clear the backlog, but Eurostar can't run after 2130 because of line closures further than the tunnel.
 

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I think that confusion is that they're referring to two different services. There will be Euroshuttle departures all night to clear the backlog, but Eurostar can't run after 2130 because of line closures further than the tunnel.

The article may have been rewritten as in my view it now makes a clear distinction between Eurotunnel and Eurostar services,
. The difference is of course notoriously not understood by a significant proportion of the UK population.
 

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I think it is summed up by the fact the article has a quote saying they would be running trains all night and another saying that all services have to be clear by a certain time before line closures.

Left hand, right hand.

When something as serious as this happens, it should be simple common sense to stuff the possessions and keep the service running until the day's passengers are clear.

High time Eurostar either get some hastily arranged competition, or the boot altogether.
 

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When something as serious as this happens, it should be simple common sense to stuff the possessions and keep the service running until the day's passengers are clear.

High time Eurostar either get some hastily arranged competition, or the boot altogether.

Well said , judging by the people being interviewed on radio 5 last night stuck at Gare du nord it sounded horrendous for them with pretty much zero information or customer service from the company other than those lucky enough to have found themselves hotels for the night who Eurostar said would be reimbursed
 
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It probably all comes down to route knowledge more than anything else unless you could use a SNCF loco to drag the Eurostar.

Is a loco required? Or can someone with route knowledge team up with someone with unit knowledge?
 

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When something as serious as this happens, it should be simple common sense to stuff the possessions and keep the service running until the day's passengers are clear.

High time Eurostar either get some hastily arranged competition, or the boot altogether.

Depends what the possession is for surely?
 

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Whilst today's disruption isn't exactly their fault, if you ask me Eurostar have come massively downhill over the last few years. My train back from Brussels last month ran fifteen minutes late because there simply wasn't enough time to get everyone through border control etc, even though most people turned up at least half an hour in advance as they request!
 

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Whilst today's disruption isn't exactly their fault, if you ask me Eurostar have come massively downhill over the last few years. My train back from Brussels last month ran fifteen minutes late because there simply wasn't enough time to get everyone through border control etc, even though most people turned up at least half an hour in advance as they request!

hardly eurostar's fault if ukba can't cope. and at least they waited.
 

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Is a loco required? Or can someone with route knowledge team up with someone with unit knowledge?

Last summer, we ran via the classic lines due to some reason. We picked up a driver at Lille (unscheduled stop) to guide us through the classic lines into Gare du Nord, no loco needed. Was a fun diversion! :D
 

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Whilst today's disruption isn't exactly their fault, if you ask me Eurostar have come massively downhill over the last few years. My train back from Brussels last month ran fifteen minutes late because there simply wasn't enough time to get everyone through border control etc, even though most people turned up at least half an hour in advance as they request!

I've never had an on time Brussels service. Always been 10+ late into the pancake. Paris trains on the other hand, have always been on time with the exception of once where we delayed by a SouthEastern service which had failed and even then we were only 20 late.
 

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I've never had an on time Brussels service. Always been 10+ late into the pancake. Paris trains on the other hand, have always been on time with the exception of once where we delayed by a SouthEastern service which had failed and even then we were only 20 late.

Yeah, I've not caught the Eurostar to/from Paris yet although I have used it to/from Brussels many times and it's nearly always been late in recent years, often with absolutely no announcement or apology about the delay at all.
 
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Last summer, we ran via the classic lines due to some reason. We picked up a driver at Lille (unscheduled stop) to guide us through the classic lines into Gare du Nord, no loco needed. Was a fun diversion! :D

Happened last summer the other way. The 1813 out of Paris, Friday July 26th. Apparently electrical problems on the high speed route. There were storms about, might have had something to do with that.
 

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Interesting comments from all; broken down train on Thursday before Easter was reported as a Eurotunnel formation. Eurostar just have to cope with the impact on their service, tough if you have children travelling with you. Yes OHLE issue and fatality at Lille compounded the problems, as previously threaded. Eurotunnel web site Thursday 17th April afternoon said 60 minute check in delay and four hours service delays. Interesting way of communicating a five hour delay, texts from car traveller told me six hours delays before leaving Folkestone on the scheduled noon car service. Thankfully when terminal access road later closed, cross channel traffic drove on to Dover ferry port embarkations.
 

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Myself and the missus were caught up in this disruption last Thursday, so it is interesting to find out some more details of the cause of the delays and cancellations. There was very little communication from Eurostar "on the ground" at St Pancras as to what was going on. Very little staff presence on the concourse until they actually started letting people through the gates again.

To be fair though, despite all of the problems it really couldn't have worked out much better for the two of us: Our train into Euston from Birmingham was about half an hour late, so we had a shorter wait at St Pancras than we would have done otherwise and only ended up being about 45 minutes late leaving London, compared to our booked departure time, when we were put on the first train out to Brussels. :) We still got all our first class food and drink, too. :)

The green sticker/red sticker system that they implemented depending on whether you were bound for Paris or Brussels was very efficient (All train and seat-specific reservations were removed), although, while it worked very well for us, the "first come, first served" nature of this process was maybe a little unfair for the people who had been waiting around for three of four hours and had taken up positions sitting on the concourse away from the check-in gates.
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I've never had an on time Brussels service. Always been 10+ late into the pancake.
You should have been on my train back from Brussels on Sunday then, we arrived into St Pancras ever so slightly early. :)
 
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