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AngusH

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But looking at just the rail figures for go-ahead:


for half year to 28 december 2013

Revenue for rail

973.0 million

Operating Profit for rail

10.5 million

This appear to be about 1.1%
?


Most of the profit for the company seems to come from the bus side which seems to have a bigger profit margin.

Having read this and the other report I'm surprised that the margins are as small as they are. (Maybe I'm missing something somewhere)
 
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If someone legally holds a share in a company then they should recieve a dividend if that company pays out. Be that a government or the bloke next door - it matters little.

Of course, but that wasn't really the point I was interested in. For example, it's often claimed that the private sector is more efficient than the public sector and publically owned enterprises (such as the former British Rail). But if 'privatised' services are actually run by a government owned entity (even a foreign one), do those advantages still apply?
Also, many privatisation enthusiasts come from the right of the political spectrum. How do they feel about a foreign government providing, and profiting from, subsidised public services in the UK?

On a related point, should the British government set up a publicly-owned company to bid for contracts (or whatever) to provide services in foreign countries, on a for-profit basis?

As I said, I'm not taking sides or trying to make a point. I'm just interested in how this, possibly unexpected, outcome of privatisation fits with the theory and the original intentions.
 
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Of course, but that wasn't really the point I was interested in. For example, it's often claimed that the private sector is more efficient than the public sector and publically owned enterprises (such as the former British Rail). But if 'privatised' services are actually run by a government owned entity (even a foreign one), do those advantages still apply?


The usual argument I've heard is that management control is the key thing: can the politicians affect the operation of the business for political reasons?

That may even flip things around, because I have heard it said that politicians had less direct control over BR than over the current franchised operators.


Having once had the opportunity to do much the same (temporary) job at a public body and a private company, I couldn't see much difference, but I guess there might be something.


I agree that foreign government owned companies working in the UK and being subsidised does seem very odd arrangement though.



On a related point, should the British government set up a publicly-owned company to bid for contracts (or whatever) to provide services in foreign countries, on a for-profit basis?

A company owned by the UK government that went round bidding on deals against private sector firms would be really interesting to see.
Set it up as a PLC and have the government own all of the shares. Keep any debt off the public books.

It would allow much better comparison. I like having EC as a benchmark to compare the private operators for this exact reason.


Given that privatisation happened, I've always wondered if it would have been better just to privatise the whole of BR intact as a single company. Then it could be doing what DB and NS are doing now...
 

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A company owned by the UK government that went round bidding on deals against private sector firms would be really interesting to see.
Set it up as a PLC and have the government own all of the shares. Keep any debt off the public books.

It would allow much better comparison. I like having EC as a benchmark to compare the private operators for this exact reason.

This is one of Labour's rumoured proposals for the next election. Having a state owned Train Operating Company (like Directly Operated Railways) bidding for franchises. Interesting plans.

State owned DOR have done a very good job on East Coast it seems, and they did a great job when they ran Southeastern after Connex and before the current Go Ahead owned franchise. Far better than the current one in fact running southeastern. Better communications and innovations were in evidence. It's hard to trust Labour on this given their history with rail, and it was they who removed the very good state run southeastern in 2006 for the pretty terrible, complacent, un-innovative and lazy Go Ahead run Southeastern since then, and the poor conditions attached to the franchise.
 
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If Go Ahead's expenditure had risen by 4%, profits would have remained stable. If Go Ahead's expenditure had risen by more than 4%, profits would have dropped.

Go Ahead's profits rose by 57%.

I think that's fairly conclusive proof that the ticket increases have purely funded the dividends to the fat cats.

How do you know the profits didn't increase due to increases in passenger numbers or cost efficiencies, to name but two possibilities?
 
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