scheduled stop at a non-station

[railruffles]

any precedent for a lay-over at a non-station??
http://adlestrop.org.uk/edward-thomas-centenary-day-train/

To commemorate the centenary of Edward Thomas’s journey along the Cotswold Line on June 24th 1914, which inspired his now famous “Adlestrop” poem, the Cotswold Line Promotion Group, in conjunction with First Great Western is organising a unique charter train to operate between Oxford and Moreton-in-Marsh and return on Tuesday 24th June 2014.

The train will be a 3-car diesel unit and is scheduled to depart Oxford at 11.28. During the outward journey from Oxford the train will stop for about 15 minutes near to the site of the old Adlestrop station for a reading of the Edward Thomas poem. It will not be possible for passengers to disembark during this brief stop. On arrival at Moreton-in-Marsh the train will stand for a short time before returning non-stop to Oxford. There will not be a reading of the poem on the return journey from Moreton to Oxford. The return fare on the train will be £20 or £10 for children under 16. The capacity of the train is limited to 200 passengers. Unfortunately, because these trains do not have numbered seats, it will not be possible to offer reserved seating.

The train will operate one return trip only and passengers will only be able to join it at Oxford. If you wish to stay longer in Moreton, or make your own way to visit Adlestrop, your ticket will be valid to return from Moreton back to Oxford on a scheduled train service.

 

[The Planner]

Wouldn't be surprised if it isn't even shown in the schedule as it would be a lot of messing about for a one off. It will more likely be a wedge of pathing time approaching the next timing point.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Not to the same scale but I believe (indeed having been on one in the past) that where time allows excursion trains will come to a stand on Glenfinnan Viaduct.

 

[jv3531]

If its not a timing point, timing will be amended to include the layover time between the nearest two available timing points, usually the timetable will then be amended with a footnote to explain the additional running times, or they'll use the performance/recovery columns to edit the running time accordingly.

 

[Welshman]

I wonder if they'll also arrange that someone near the lineside clears their throat?

 

[Shimbleshanks]

I can think of quite a few for operational reasons.

Didn't some of the Anglo-Scottish services change traction in Mossend Yard? (Possibly some still do).

And trains on the West London Line stop somewhere after Shepherd's Bush to change traction current - I presume that's in the working timetable somewhere.

Coombe Junction for reversal on the Liskaerd-Looe branch (those trains not actually calling at Coombe Junction station).

I remember a journey on the Central Wales Line as then was (now the Heart of Wales Line) in the mid 1970s where, for some unfathomable reason, the passing loop was not in the station, so one of the trains (the southbound one, I think) had to wait for the other at the loop, cross it and then proceed to the platform and call there.


Didn't the Sheffield-Penistone line have a reversal not in a station? (don't think it does any more)

 

[Welshman]

Didn't the Sheffield-Penistone line have a reversal not in a station? (don't think it does any more)

Huddersfield-Sheffield trains did for a while after the closure of Sheffield Victoria, when they still ran down the GC from Penistone and reversed at Nunnery Junction.

Now, of course, they go from Penistone to Barnsley and directly into Sheffield Midland station.

 

[edwin_m]

Over the years there have been various Nottingham-Lincoln trains that reversed into Newark Northgate. And, as discussed here a few weeks back, there are a few passenger trains scheduled to wait in non-station loops for others to pass.

There used to be non-station loco changes at Mitre Bridge on the Cross Country trains via the West London Lines, and the Glasgow/Edinburgh joiners were shunted out of Carstairs station and back again with passengers on board.

There are also many places where the padding in the timetable and lack of platform capaity mean that if a train is on time it will have to wait at the signal before a major station.

 

[Welshman]

Sometimes, engineering works also cause a reversal to be made where there is no station.

I'm thinking particularly of Sunday's early Grand Central service to Kings Cross from Bradford Interchange, which instead of going via Halifax and Brighouse has been diverted via New Pudsey and reversed outside Leeds at Engine Shed Junction.

Also, I'm sure I was once on a TPE service which was diverted via the Calder Valley, and reversed on the through line at Salford Crescent - admittedly within sight of the platforms but not exactly at one!

 

[greatkingrat]

Here's the timetable. No specific allowance is shown, but there is 30 minutes allowed from Ascott to Moreton, compared with 10 minutes on the return journey.

 

[steamybrian]

There are have been many examples on enthusiasts railtours either to reverse, the end of the track or boundary point.
A good example is Motala on the Swanage branch which is the boundary point to NR.
A couple of steam excursions I have been on have stopped between stations for the loco to take water because there happen to be a convenient road adjacent to the line for a water bowser to stop.
Signals or passing loops are common places for trains to be booked to stop for pathing.

 

[snowball]

Didn't some of the Anglo-Scottish services change traction in Mossend Yard? (Possibly some still do).

I'm not knowledgeable about present-day services but after electrification to Glasgow there was a daily Euston-Inverness train called "The Clansman" that changed traction there.

 

[fowler9]

I'm not knowledgeable about present-day services but after electrification to Glasgow there was a daily Euston-Inverness train called "The Clansman" that changed traction there.

I got a sleeper from Preston to Fort William that changed traction there as well.

 

[W-on-Sea]

Mon-Fri 21:46 XC departure from Reading for points north (can't remember if it terminates at Birmingham or at Manchester), is the parliamentary service over the SW to N chord just west of Didcot Parkway station (formerly used by Oxford-Bristol services). Not only does this stop at Foxhall Junction, before reversing, but it is also mentioned on the passenger information displays in the carriages, and on the LCD displays on the outside of the doors of the Voyager (as the 'next station' after Reading) operating the service...

 

[Parallel]

I remember a journey on the Central Wales Line as then was (now the Heart of Wales Line) in the mid 1970s where, for some unfathomable reason, the passing loop was not in the station, so one of the trains (the southbound one, I think) had to wait for the other at the loop, cross it and then proceed to the platform and call there.

Does something similar not happen still on the Cambrian line between Caersws and Machynlleth? Albeit not very near either station.

I was reading about the Heart Of Wales line the other day and the issue with the loop was Llandrindod - I'm surprised why they didn't originally have it in the station in the first place, compared to north of the town!

 

[Jonny]

Does something similar not happen still on the Cambrian line between Caersws and Machynlleth? Albeit not very near either station.

I was reading about the Heart Of Wales line the other day and the issue with the loop was Llandrindod - I'm surprised why they didn't originally have it in the station in the first place, compared to north of the town!

According to Wikipedia,

The line through the station was singled as an economy measure in the 1960s, although a passing loop was left a short distance to the north, near the town's level crossing. However the loop was relocated to the station in 1986 as part of the signalling modernisation scheme that centralised control at Pantyffynnon (the level crossing being converted to traincrew operation at the same time whilst the signal box was closed).

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llandrindod_railway_station.

The picture associated with the above article shows a two-track station and a post-privatisation Class 153.

 

[button_boxer]

I was on the last train back from London St Pancras to Sheffield a few weeks ago and it was sent via Castle Donington, reversing at Stenson junction to approach Derby from the Birmingham direction. Added an extra 20 minutes to what is already a 3 hour journey at that time of night, finally got to Sheffield gone 01:45.

 

[eastwestdivide]

On Saturdays, some of the Sheffield-Leeds stoppers are scheduled to go into Hemsworth Loop to be overtaken, e.g.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y44602/2014/04/05/advanced

 

[Harpers Tate]

I suppose pretty much every Steam Hauled excursion will have planned layovers in some odd non-station locations, for watering purposes.

 

[infobleep]

I was on a steam train from Bath to Victoria that stopped at the site of Wantage Road to take on water. They even told us it was the former site of Wantage Road.

No mention of all the other long since disused stations we also happened to pass through without stopping.

Being a Saturday I guess there was room I the timetable for us to stop. Couldn't see how they could fit that in during peak rush hour.

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[infobleep]

Regularly trains are booked to wait at Woking Junction and also at the junction at Havant. Examples include the 8.46am from Guildford which is scheduled to take 14 minutes to reach Woking. Compare that to the 18.00 non stop from Waterloo which reaches Guildford in 31 minutes. Woking isn't that close to Waterloo.

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[alastair]

I was on a steam train from Bath to Victoria that stopped at the site of Wantage Road to take on water. They even told us it was the former site of Wantage Road.

No mention of all the other long since disused stations we also happened to pass through without stopping.

Being a Saturday I guess there was room I the timetable for us to stop. Couldn't see how they could fit that in during peak rush hour.

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Other water-stop locations often used on steam charters: Woodborough loop, and loop between Newbury Racecourse and Newbury,site of old Tiverton Junction station, Magor loop near Newport and I am sure there are several more.

 

[BestWestern]

Certain FGW local services heading from Bristol to Weston Super Mare/Taunton were booked to stand in the down loop at Yatton up until quite recently (they may still do), to allow a Voyager to pass. Was a good five minutes or so generally. Being just beyond the station, trains would depart Yatton and pull straight into the loop and come to a stand again. If the XC was late you'd carry straight on without the feather, and end up trying to fathom the 10mins or so difference between the working and public times at Worle!

Another one that comes to mind is Pompey - Cardiff runs divrted via Chandlers Ford (avoiding Southampton Ctl), which have in the past been booked standing time on the junction before joining the main lines into Eastleigh.