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Northern line train TBTC station skip error on Friday afternoon

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I was on the service affected and some of the story isn't true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...four-stations-without-stopping-rush-hour.html

Passengers trapped in a 'runaway' Tube train which ran through four stations without stopping during rush-hour
Northern Line train passed four stations before it stopped
Driver said new automated system had 'overridden' his commands
Train left Old Street station and did not stop until Elephant and Castle

By RAY MASSEY
PUBLISHED: 23:13, 14 March 2014 | UPDATED: 23:38, 14 March 2014

Horrified rush-hour passengers were trapped in a ‘runaway’ Tube train which ran through four stations without stopping on Friday.
The Tube driver told passengers on the Southbound Northern Line train that he had lost control of the train because a new automated system had ‘overridden’ his commands.
It sparked safety fears with rail unions demanding urgent answers to what exactly happened and why.

The Northern Line train took off from Old Street Station on Friday afternoon and ran amok after the new automated system 'overrode' driver's commands

London Underground later apologised for the incident which it initially blamed on a ‘technical fault with the signalling system’ which they later believe may have been down to human error.

It said the problem occurred because a ‘don’t stop’ instruction given to one stricken but empty train being taken out of service was inadvertently carried across to a second fully functioning train just behind - which was supposed to stop for passengers.


The saga comes just a year after London Underground and its contractors were fined £300,000 for an earlier runaway train incident which the judge said had put lives at risk of a potential ‘terrible tragedy.’

Eyewitness said Friday’s drama happened at the height of rush-hour around 5pm after passengers were told to evacuate a ‘defective’ train at Old Street Underground station before it was taken out of service.

They then boarded another Tube train right behind to take them on to their destinations.


The second train duly set off and should have stopped first at Moorgate, but instead carried on through the station, then past Bank, London Bridge and Borough before finally coming to a stop at Elephant and Castle.

Hannah Downing, 25, from Chislehurst in Kent, described how drama unfolded at Old Street Station when the train in front of hers broke down. Passengers from that stricken train transferred to hers and both continued on their way.
She said: ‘It was weird. The automated woman’s voice on our train said we would not be stopping at the next station. Then the driver came on and told us he did not know what was happening nor why we weren’t stopping.
‘Then we went past three more stations and it was the same story.’
‘We eventually did come to a stop at Elephant and Castle but the doors wouldn’t open.
‘The driver came on the intercom to apologise.
‘He told passengers they had got a new automated system and it had not let him stop. It had overridden his commands and not letting him stop the train at the stations.
‘He said they had been having issues with the new automated system.

London Underground confirmed there had been a ‘technical fault with the signalling system’ which they believe may have amounted to human error and apologised for the mistake.
Signallers had programmed the first defective train to continue without stopping to Kennington. However, they had then failed to rescind that instruction for the second train. So it too continued without stopping. It stressed no-one had been hurt.

Pat Hansbury, general manager of the Northern line, London Underground, said: ‘I apologise to customers who were inconvenienced when they were unable to alight at their usual stops for a short time on a southbound Northern line train this afternoon.

‘When an earlier defective train was taken out of service at Old Street station it was set to run directly to Kennington without stopping at the stations in between.
‘Due to this instruction this meant that the replacement train, which took on passengers at Old Street, also passed through four stations without stopping.’


He said: ’The safety system built into the signalling controls meant that the train was at all times kept at a controlled distance from the train ahead – pausing when the train in front stopped at each station then proceeding when it was safe to do so, this is a key feature of the signalling system.

‘The train travelled at a controlled speed throughout the journey without any risk to passengers safety at all times, however we are investigating why the instruction remained in place for the replacement train’.

The RMT rail union said a key concern would be exactly how close the train would have been to any train in front :’At that time of day at peak rush hour there’s a train every three or four minutes on that line. We need to find out exactly what happened.’

In February last year London Underground and its contractors were fined £300,000 for endangering passengers and staff after a runaway train caused chaos on the Northern line.

A 39-tonnes maintenance wagon hurtled through seven stations in August 2010 before it could be stopped.
A passenger train in front of it was told to keep going and not stop, while commuters were told to run to the front carriages, the Old Bailey heard.
London Underground, Tube Lines Ltd and Schweerbau GMBH pleaded guilty to endangering passengers and staff under Health and Safety law. They were each fined £100,000.

Tube Lines and LU are part of Transport for London while the German company manufactured the wagon and its tow-bar.

Judge Richard Hone said: "There was the potential of terrible tragedy.
He said the runaway train was out of control for four miles during 16 minutes. To those involved it must have seemed an extremely frightening eternity,’ he added.

The court was told that a fault had now been remedied and the incident was extremely unlikely to occur again.

The RMT transport union described it at the time as ‘a shocking incident which could very easily have resulted in a major tragedy and loss of life’.

Where the Mail got the story incorrect is that the train did stop at Moorgate to pick up passengers and it was after that that the train went into 'Station Skip' mode.
 
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ooo err!

just goes to show... computerised systems are only as good as the people who control them!

btw, until I read this story I thought of the runaway train a few years ago. That incident was only saved from disaster because the train was manually driven - its very unlikely that it would have been possible for the train driver to drive in "emergency: flee for your life mode" had the train been using the new automated signaling system.
 

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ooo err!

just goes to show... computerised systems are only as good as the people who control them!

btw, until I read this story I thought of the runaway train a few years ago. That incident was only saved from disaster because the train was manually driven - its very unlikely that it would have been possible for the train driver to drive in "emergency: flee for your life mode" had the train been using the new automated signaling system.

I think the protected manual (or whatever the term is) driving would let you skip stations yourself. But that really was a one in a million chance and anyone isolating brakes on anything will surely check 1000 times now to make sure there is no danger of that happening!

The thing to remember about this story is it is completely different to last time, at no point were any safety regulations broken or any safety systems compromised. If the train was starting to get too close to the other one the ATO would slow it down immediately...
 

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Two main questions springing to my mind as a result of this are:

1. Why did the driver not stop the train (using an emergency stop if needed), bearing in mind he didn't actually know what it was doing (if the article is to be believed)?

2. Would there have been any impacts at all on emergency evacuation procedures as a result - for example, if a fire had broken out and the emergency alarm had been activated, then requiring the doors to be opened in the next station? (I hope and expect not - but I merely raise the question.)
 

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Two main questions springing to my mind as a result of this are:

1. Why did the driver not stop the train (using an emergency stop if needed), bearing in mind he didn't actually know what it was doing (if the article is to be believed)?

2. Would there have been any impacts at all on emergency evacuation procedures as a result - for example, if a fire had broken out and the emergency alarm had been activated, then requiring the doors to be opened in the next station? (I hope and expect not - but I merely raise the question.)

Presumably executing an emergency stop could cause delays on the whole line (as opposed to all the people on a single train).

What happens in the event that the emergency alarm is pulled when the current/next station is closed?
Depending on the reason for the station closure using it as an emergency escape may or may not be safe.
 

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Did the driver sound scared? Did the train slow down when passing through Bank, London Bridge & Borough?

More bemused than anything. The train did slow down at each station, however the train didn't come to a full stop until Elephant & Castle.
 

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The train would have slowed down through each station anyway, and if it had been going faster than a few miles per hour the brakes would have tripped. Station starters must be passed at 5mph, don't forget.

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TStation starters must be passed at 5mph, don't forget.

Is that still in force with TBTC though? The only signalling reason why the 5mph limit applies is because of the reduced signalling overlap to allow trains to get closer together, but with TBTC surely there is no 'overlap' as such as the signalling system knows more precisely where each train is?
 

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Is that still in force with TBTC though? The only signalling reason why the 5mph limit applies is because of the reduced signalling overlap to allow trains to get closer together, but with TBTC surely there is no 'overlap' as such as the signalling system knows more precisely where each train is?

Oops, I'd forgot we were talking about TBTC. Just had my automatic tube head on, it's late. :oops:

You're correct. TBTC doesn't have blocks or overlaps. However there is still a speed limit of 18mph through stations, so the trains would have been doing that at most.
 
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More bemused than anything. The train did slow down at each station, however the train didn't come to a full stop until Elephant & Castle.

This is still rather worrying- what if someone had fallen onto the track at say Bank(not too unrealistic considering how busy and small the northern line platforms are there!) would the driver have been able to stop?
 

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This is still rather worrying- what if someone had fallen onto the track at say Bank(not too unrealistic considering how busy and small the northern line platforms are there!) would the driver have been able to stop?
The driver has about 3 emergency stop devices available in the cab.
 

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This is still rather worrying- what if someone had fallen onto the track at say Bank(not too unrealistic considering how busy and small the northern line platforms are there!) would the driver have been able to stop?
You could ask the same question about any ATO train. To which the answer would be:
The driver has about 3 emergency stop devices available in the cab.
 

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This is still rather worrying- what if someone had fallen onto the track at say Bank(not too unrealistic considering how busy and small the northern line platforms are there!) would the driver have been able to stop?

It's not really worrying, look at the speed the Victoria Line trains enter the station tunnel.

I'd imagine the driver did know what the train was doing, and was advised by control to just carry on. I'd imagine using the emergency stop would screw up the service far more.
 

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What if a passenger had pulled an emergency alarm? It's surprising that none of them did - though I'll bet that none of them realised what was happening while the train was passing through the stations.
 

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What if a passenger had pulled an emergency alarm? It's surprising that none of them did
What makes you think nobody pulled the alarm? It doesn't stop the train automatically. And I expect the driver told the passengers what was happening.
 
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